How does Sundial of the Infinite and blink mechanic interactions work?
Asked by mtgirem 10 years ago
There are end of turn blinks like Roon of the Hidden Realm where my understanding is that if the creature was coming at the end of a current turn and sundial ended that turn then it would wait an additional turn before resolving. Am I correct?
Also what about Deadeye Navigator ? His blink is pretty much instantaneous, but for whatever reason could I use the sundial before the creature comes back since they are two separate abilities on the stack? Then would the creature be exiled for the rest of the game?
Also would it stop Conjurer's Closet from being able to activate?
For reference, 1/ and 3/ are both answered in the Gatherer Rulings for the Sundial of the Infinite
"If Sundial of the Infinite's ability is activated before the end step, any "at the beginning of the end step"-triggered abilities won't get the chance to trigger that turn because the end step is skipped. Those abilities will trigger at the beginning of the end step of the next turn."
You can usually find the answers to most questions about cards that way.
August 10, 2014 4:28 p.m.
Also, on 1. You have to remember, that return at end of turn effect is placed on the stack at end of turn, then you can use the end you turn ability in responce, and the effect would not get retriggered, and the creature would not return...
August 11, 2014 12:06 a.m.
I looked at what the first guy said on the gatherer and it says that effect would be delayed until the next turn:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=228118
"9/22/2011 If Sundial of the Infinite's ability is activated before the end step, any "at the beginning of the end step"-triggered abilities won't get the chance to trigger that turn because the end step is skipped. Those abilities will trigger at the beginning of the end step of the next turn. The same is true of abilities that trigger at the beginning of other phases or steps (except upkeep)."
August 11, 2014 6:53 a.m.
Oh, nevermind, I see what you're saying. I use that sundial after the beginning of the end step when the ability is on the stack. Does it really work that way? It seems very broken.
August 11, 2014 6:57 a.m.
yes, the effect of roon creates a delayed trigger which only gets triggered once.
603.7. An effect may create a delayed triggered ability that can do something at a later time. A delayed triggered ability will contain "when," "whenever," or "at," although that word won't usually begin the ability.
603.7b A delayed triggered ability will trigger only oncethe next time its trigger event occursunless it has a stated duration, such as "this turn."
So by the rules stated above, if you stop the turn after the ability is on the stack, then the delayed triggered ability was triggered, and will not trigger again.
August 11, 2014 7:27 a.m.
Interesting, thanks for the help. This is giving me a bit of a Popsicle headache but at least makes sense. I imagine this mechanic can work with any 'end of turn' blink as long as I end the turn during my end phase before they've resolved?
Devonin says... Accepted answer #1
1/ If you bypass an end step, it doesn't happen, so the next end step will cause those effects to end.
2/ His blink IS instantaneous, there is no way to respond in between. It's not two separate abilities. The ability says "Exile it and bring it back" nothing can interrupt an effect while it is resolving.
3/ If you don't have an end step, you don't have a time for things to trigger.
August 10, 2014 4:25 p.m.