dual casting Infernal plunge
Asked by fjlj 12 years ago
ok based off reading the rulings on Dual Casting
"You can't choose to pay any additional costs for the copy. However, effects based on any additional costs that were paid for the original spell are copied as though those same costs were paid for the copy too. For example, if you sacrifice a 3/3 creature to cast Fling and then copy it with the ability granted by Dual Casting, the copy of Fling will also deal 3 damage to its target."
my question is, when i copy Infernal Plunge do i have to sacrifice another creature? i dont think i do since you dont have to repay the cost of any copy. am i correct in thinking this?
You are correct. Effectively, imagine a symbol for a dead body in the mana cost on top... lol.... but seriously, it is paid when the spell is placed onto the stack, and you will not have to pay again.
March 14, 2013 12:38 a.m.
That's a really cool idea, actually.. a new 'mana symbol' of sorts representing a creature sacrifice to be made as part of casting the spell. It would certainly free some room in the body of the rules text. Heck, while we're at it, we could come up with even more symbols to represent additional costs for spells.. like discard a card, pay life, tap a creature, etc.
March 14, 2013 12:41 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #4
"And free with each booster, we've included a promotional magnifying glass to help you read the tiny tiny symbols up top and make out what they mean!"
March 14, 2013 12:44 a.m.
If you keep the symbols neat and tidy, it shouldn't be harder to pick up on than a Phyrexian mana symbol, or a hybrid mana symbol. :P
March 14, 2013 12:47 a.m.
i dont think it would free up much space. Thundering Tanadon they would probably list what each symbol meant on every card again...
March 14, 2013 1:08 a.m.
@fjlj Since phyrexia mana was a new mechanic the explanation is printed on the first set that uses it. If they bring out phyrexia mana again they are not going to reprint the help text. Someone more helpful might dig out some straight quote from WotC where they mention that they only print the explanation on new abilities once (I assume they still follow that practice).
March 14, 2013 2:13 a.m.
yea... but the lol was that if they add 4 new things the whole first set would have 4 explinations on all the cards...
March 14, 2013 3 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #9
Draugo: Every card in M13 with exalted had the reminder text, the new ones included. And all the flashback spells in Innistrad/Dark Ascension had the reminder text, as well.
The only ones they don't reprint reminder text for anymore is the "evergreen" mechanics - abilities that can appear in any set.
March 14, 2013 3:01 a.m.
@MagnorCriol Well I'd say that 'Sacrifice a creature mana symbol' would be quite the evergreen :) Someone should check has there been any sets without at least one card having sac a creature as additional cost since they thought up the mechanic.
March 14, 2013 3:26 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #11
Creating a special "sacrifice a creature mana symbol" would totally screw up the converted mana cost concept, either by inserting an exception for this symbol and throwing off the math of anyone who doesn't know about it, or by changing the CMC of hundreds upon hundreds of cards (and making an untold number of current card interactions very different).
March 14, 2013 10:43 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #12
@Draugo: A quick search shows Gatecrash and M13 lacking spells with sacrificing as an additional cost.
March 14, 2013 11:29 a.m.
@MagnorCriol I'd assume it would be used like any mana symbol in abilities so for example Undercity Informer would have the sac symbol as part of the cost.
MagnorCriol says... Accepted answer #1
Yes, you are. Additional costs are, indeed, part of the cost of the spell, and thus don't have to be repaid. Fling is a common target for this kind of abuse, as well.
March 14, 2013 12:37 a.m.