Does I completely have full-control of my opponent's Avacyn if I gained control of it and use Gruul Charm's second mode?
Asked by jotjot 11 years ago
My opponent have Avacyn, Angel of Hope on the battlefield. Then I cast Traitorous Instinct to gain control Avacyn until end of turn. Then I cast Gruul Charm and chose its second mode which says "gain control of all permanents you own". Its ruling says that "If you choose the second mode, Gruul Charm's effect will override any other control-changing effects on those permanents." Meaning does I completely have full-control of Avacyn? Thank you for the reply.
The problem is that cards you 'own' are cards that are in your deck to begin with. Having 'control' of a card means that you have it on your side of the field. When the card goes to the graveyard or any other zone, such as exile, it goes to its owner's zone of that type. So just because you control a card, doesn't mean you own it. The 'owner' is the one who had the card in their deck to begin with. Gruul Charm has its second effect to actually counteract the exact card you are talking about, along with other control cards.
So in essence, you do not gain ownership of the card, instead, Gruul Charm is used to regain control of a card that an opponent may have taken from you.
October 8, 2013 7:26 p.m.
Epochalyptik So what does the second mode of Gruul Charm actually does?
October 8, 2013 7:26 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
@jotjot: In this case, Gruul Charm 's second mode will not do anything. If an opponent controlled a permanent you owned, it would restore control of that permanent to you. That isn't relevant in this case.
October 8, 2013 7:30 p.m.
DeathByDragons says... #6
It's more for if your opponent used Traitorous Instinct on your creature. They would have control until EoT but you would still own the card. Therefore if you sued Gruul Charm 's second ability it would return your creature to your own control. Hope this helps.
October 8, 2013 7:31 p.m.
YouGotFranked says... #7
It makes you regain control of permanents your opponents may have stolen from you. Like if your opponent cast Gruul Charm and use it's second mode after your Traitorous Blood Resolved on his Avacyn, Angel of Hope , then he'll immediately regain control of Avacyn as soon Gruul Charm Resolves.
October 8, 2013 7:33 p.m.
What happens if he uses Gruul Charm on a creature he owns that was stolen using Control Magic ? He obviously would get the creature back, what what happen to the Control Magic ?
October 9, 2013 3:09 a.m.
Tradeylouish says... #9
Control Magic will still be enchanting the creature, but its effect will be overwritten by Gruul Charm .
October 9, 2013 3:40 a.m.
Last question would be....Would the owner of the Control Magic have an extra 2 towards his devotion to blue? thanks for looking
October 9, 2013 10:40 a.m.
Tradeylouish says... #11
Yes, as Control Magic would still be a permanent and would still be under its owner's control.
Epochalyptik says... #2
There's no such thing as partial control.
No. The owner of a card is the player who began the game with that card in his or her deck. Even if control of a permanent changes, ownership never changes.
When Traitorous Instinct 's effect wears off at the end of the turn, your opponent will regain control of his or her Avacyn, Angel of Hope .
October 8, 2013 7:19 p.m.