Does Death touch increase the life received by Lifelink?
Asked by Blake11911 11 years ago
I am working on a vampire deck and this lack of understanding confronted me..Ex;
Vampire Nighthawk attacks, opponent blocks with Archangel
Vampire Nighthawk has first strike thanks to my Stromkirk Captain
Do i receive 2 life from Lifelink, because that is how much Vampire Nighthawk swings for, and according to Lifelink, any damage dealt to an enemy creature is "enough to kill it" or do i receive 5 health, because 5 damage is how much would need to be dealt in order to kill Archangel ?
Technically you gain 3, because Vampire Nighthawk
is boosted by Stromkirk Captain
Back to the main point, the nighthawk is still only dealing three damage. Deathtouch simply states that if it is dealt damage, it's destroyed. Damage isn't marked on the creature equal to its toughness, it simply dies.
September 23, 2013 11:52 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
As eeuhn mentions, deathtouch doesn't actually change the amount of damage being dealt. It only changes the result of that damage.
September 24, 2013 12:28 a.m.
archiphoneme says... #4
You would gain 3. This would change to 5 if Vampire Nighthawk had trample otherwise the above comments are correct. With trample you would do more damage and therefore gain more life. I would suggest pairing lifelink black cards with something like Sanguine Bond , which in the above would result in 3 damage to the player in addition to destroying the creature and gaining life.
September 24, 2013 12:45 a.m.
Trample wouldn't change anything.Deathtouch says that any amount of damage is considered lethal damage. It doesn't change the number dealt.
Unrelatedly, the thing about Trample and Deathtouch that archiphoneme is talking about is that if you have both, you only need to assign 1 point of damage to the blocker and the rest tramples over (because you must assign lethal damage to all blockers and the rest tramples over, and deathtouch says any amount of damage greater than 0 is lethal, so you only need to assign 1)
September 24, 2013 12:55 a.m.
archiphoneme says... #6
Actually that's right, 1 damage to the creature. if the rest tramples over you'd do 4 to whatever other blockers (assigning 1 per as in the above) and whatever was left would hit the player. The point I was making though was with trample and lifelink you should be able to gain the entirety of a creature's strength in life, whereas without trample I suppose you'd only gain 1 life? I'm unsure if you can technically assign more than 1 damage (up to the blocking creature's toughness) in exchange for life from lifelink. If you can't, then deathtouch + lifelink always returns 1 life without trample.
September 24, 2013 1:14 a.m.
With or without trample, a creature deals damage equal to it's power to defending creatures, so you gain that much life. Life gained from a creature with lifelink is not limited to defending creature's toughness.
September 24, 2013 1:21 a.m.
archiphoneme says... #8
ah, I see where I was going wrong. Yes, you do full damage, but need only assign 1 at most to the defender. I was making that more complicated than need be, thanks ljs54321. The only thing trample would effect is residual damage not lifelink gains which would be the entirety of the attacking creature's strength.
September 24, 2013 1:26 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
@archiphoneme: I don't know where you're getting 5 from. Deathtouch doesn't magically make Vampire Nighthawk deal more damage. It's still only dealing 3 damage, and it would be dealing 2 were it not for Stromkirk Captain .
September 24, 2013 1:28 a.m.
archiphoneme says... #10
510.1a Each attacking creature and each blocking creature assigns combat damage equal to its power.If anyone is interested.
September 24, 2013 1:28 a.m.
archiphoneme says... #11
My apologies Epochalyptik, I misread the question to begin with.
September 24, 2013 1:30 a.m.
archiphoneme says... #12
To clarify, so I don't confuse everything with my wrong comments:-You gain life equal to the power of the attacking creature with lifelink.-Deathtouch imbued creatures need only assign 1 damage to destroy each defender.-Trample would add nothing in the way of lifelink gains and so is irrelevant (me bringing it up just confused everything). -Because of first strike and deathtouch your creature survives.
Blake11911 says... #1
Correction, Vampire Nighthawk deals 3 damage
September 23, 2013 11:49 p.m.