Why? (Legacy vs EDH players)
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Posted on Oct. 11, 2014, 12:22 a.m. by Kozelek
Why is it I can post an EDH deck and before I evan deck cycle it I've got 15 views and a +1 and within an hr of cycling it it will have over 200 views and 3 comments, but I have made a legacy deck and cycled it every day for 3 days and no comments and less than 200 views? Are EDH players just that more helpful/interested in new ideas? Are legacy players just that much more snobbish that they feel "to good" to help others? Or is it that there are just that many more EDH players vs legacy?
Epochalyptik says... #3
It's very simple. TappedOut doesn't have a large Legacy community. If you look at demographics (and we have no "official" data on this, but it's pretty obvious based on user activity), most of the user base is comprised of casual players and varying levels of Standard and Modern players. There's a small Legacy community, and there's virtually no Vintage community. Because EDH is the primary social format, users who want to play something other than sanctioned tournament formats are drawn to EDH. Therefore, you get a wide range of users, both competitive and casual, who play EDH and are more invested in the EDH community here, so they post more decklists and offer more feedback.
October 11, 2014 12:35 a.m.
Papabear77 says... #4
I am kinda new to this whole thing but as I have been playing since the original Mirrodin. I can say that i'm more likely to look at a commander deck because A. i wanna see the cute value somewhere and if i can help i will comment B. legacy is foreign and a strange realm of mainly this fandangled color called blue. hand destruction, land destruction, and other things i consider quite rude and i cant comment on it due to the fact i dont know most of the cards anyway.
October 11, 2014 12:41 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
That's another important point. A significant portion of our users are newer players who are just delving into Modern. Many of the don't have card or meta knowledge, let along game knowledge, that dates back far enough to make Legacy a viable option for them. Plus, the barrier to entry for Legacy is very high.
Hell, most people are only just getting into Modern within the past year or so. Back when it first came out, there was a general lack of funds/cards to overcome the barrier to entry. Not that the most expensive staples have gotten cheaper (they've gotten more expensive), but more people have the cards, and those who already had them are shifting their attention toward the new and much more lively Modern scene.
October 11, 2014 12:48 a.m.
miracleHat says... #6
@Epochalyptik, most people didn't get into modern before because extended was the big thing (i think...).
October 11, 2014 12:52 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
I'm also going to move this to TappedOut (the forum) because it's about the TappedOut community and feedback stats.
October 11, 2014 12:57 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
@miracleHat: Eh... I'd like to see some stats on that (if there are any). A large part of the impetus for pushing Modern, I think, was how dead and stale the Extended scene was. It was basically just Standard round two, where all the most powerful/expensive Standard decks of the past few years got to duke it out one more time. As far as I could tell (which is to say in my experience), community reception was generally negative. Part of the reason Modern is so popular is because it takes the concept of Extended and, well, extends it. The card pool is large enough to make many more decks possible, and it's still relatively easy to transition into it after playing Standard for a while.
October 11, 2014 1 a.m.
miracleHat says... #9
I don't know where I could even find the stats on that. A question that has been swimming around in my mind is what is going to happen to modern in the future. Tarmogoyf is going for $190, Liliana of the Veil is ~ $65, Dark Confidant is ~ $85... any g/b deck is going for a ton, r/g tron is ~ $500 last i checked. Land bases are super expensive...
I will put it out to the open to see what people think...
October 11, 2014 1:21 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
The thing is, WOTC has been chugging away with their reprints. It's been pretty obvious many of the card choices in the past several sets have been aimed at making Modern more accessible to newer players.
The sticking point is cards like Tarmogoyf , which can't be reprinted en masse because they could endanger Standard and disenfranchise those already heavily invested in them. WOTC got its fingers burnt before when it ignored the clout of the collector demographic, and, to their credit, they've been approaching Modern cautiously so as to strike a balance between the financially invested and the competitively interested.
And the land bases are becoming less powerful counterarguments. Within three blocks, WOTC has reprinted or completed both of the most important land cycles in Modern. All that's really left to do on that front is to reprint the ZEN fetches. It's pretty unrealistic to expect that universally powerful lands are going to dip to $5 or $10 apiece. The ONS/KTK fetches are all under $20 for new editions. The shocks are all under $10. That's really quite reasonable when you consider how powerful they are and how many people want them right now.
October 11, 2014 2:04 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
But anyway, that's a conversation for another thread (which I invite you to start). This one is supposed to be about Legacy vs. EDH demographics and responses.
October 11, 2014 2:04 a.m.
Blizzicane says... #12
I was about to post a reply but it seems Epoch took the words right out of my mouth. :3
October 11, 2014 2:09 a.m.
JakeHarlow says... #13
People on here seem largely interested in casual decks and unique builds. Even the competitive folks. It's enjoyable to see a fresh new take on a very varied format like Commander (I'm not saying Commander isn't competitive). It's been rightly noted that many, maybe even the majority, of active users here are more into the casual side of the game and are fairly new to the game. Home brews (and you see a lot more of these in EDH) are much less intimidating to comment on for new players. A newer guy isn't going to feel as comfy viewing, understanding, or commenting on some semi-pro's Kiki-Pod deck. At least these are my deductions on this topic.
miracleHat says... #2
EDH is a bit more popular than Legacy. The main reason why is because you can make an edh no matter what your skill level is and have fun with it. I have had fun with a $50 edh deck and an $800 edh deck.
Legacy decks take a lot more skill to play with and are mainly the same. Newer players don't play legacy because the cards are so old and expensive ($300 for a playset of Wasteland s?).
That being said, with wizards promoting modern all over the place, legacy has slowly been dying out. I still like both formats, it is just that EDH is "supported" by wizards and has a variety of players while legacy is dying out and has a limited amount of players.
October 11, 2014 12:28 a.m.