Tenacious Dead Vs. Regen.
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Posted on Oct. 17, 2013, 8:54 p.m. by CasHole
The Tenacious Dead card has what appears to be regenerate, but explained differently. What is the difference between Tenacious Dead 's ability and the regular regenerate ability? Maybe the definition of regenerate would help here as well.
thanks for the help y'all
Sorry, that last sentence in the first paragraph is less than clear. What I meant was that regneration does not prevent death if the creature is sacrificed or its toughness is reduced to 0.
October 17, 2013 9:03 p.m.
There's a huge difference. A creature that is regenerated in the common sense of the word never went to the graveyard, it never died. There's a detailed explanation of the regenerate keyword in the comprehensive rules but I'm too lazy to go find it.
October 17, 2013 9:04 p.m.
A regenerated creature keeps its +1/+1 counters, tenacious dead does not. Tenacious dead gets around 'cannot be regenerated', regeneration cannot.
October 17, 2013 9:12 p.m.
Awesome! Thanks for the help. One person told me that Tenacious Dead can be brought back from the graveyard at anytime, which I doubted at the time but let it go for the moment. Thanks again y'all.
And I am still getting the hang of this site so I will pay more attention to where these questions should be asked. Sorry about that.
October 17, 2013 11:21 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #7
Reassembling Skeleton is the skelly card that can come back at any time. I think because WoTC wanted a slower game when Theros came out, they decided to have a similar but weakened card to that.
October 17, 2013 11:43 p.m.
garybracket says... #8
i have to say, I don't agree with this completely. Tenacious Dead "dies" (quite vague) and can return to the battlefield tapped. However, rule 704.5f states that if a creature's toughness is 0 or less it is moved to the owner's graveyard as a "state-based action". Obviously this overrides regeneration, but the doubt in my heart refers to the fact that Tenacious Dead wouldn't actually be "dying", but moved to the graveyard as a state-based action. Needs WotC clarification, "dying" is too vague. Reprint as when Tenacious Dead is sent to the graveyard, otherwise I'd contest this every time.
January 25, 2014 6:06 p.m.
"Moved to the graveyard from the battlefield" is the definition of "dies".
Sacrificed = dies
0 toughness = dies
lethal damage = dies
destroyed = dies
... am I missing any?
All of the above are excluded from 'dies' if the creature does not go to the graveyard. - Likely due to a replacement effect, such as the exile effect fro Whip of Erebos , or possibly because it was a commander, and was put into the command zone instead.
raithe000 says... #2
Tenacious Dead's ability triggers when it is put in the graveyard from the battlefield (dies), and the cost is payed after the event that caused it to die occurs. Regenerate prevents a creature from dying in the first place (it never goes to the graveyard), and must be activated before the creature would die. Additionally, Tenacious Dead's ability functions if it is sacrificed or its toughness is reduced to 0 or less, circumstances which are not prevented by regeneration.
Also, Questions like this should be asked in the MTG Q&A. FYI.
October 17, 2013 9:01 p.m.