Question about farseek
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Posted on Jan. 29, 2013, 10:15 p.m. by mmdw34
So I was playing with a buddy testing out me deck and I played Farseek and pulled a guild gate out to use as my land. He tried to tell me you could only take basic lands or shock lands...? It doesnt make sense to me but I would like to clear it up so I dont make mistakes at FNM. Any help clearing this up.
okay i use gatecreeper as well, I just wanted to be certain so I do not make that mistake in FNM. thanks :)
January 29, 2013 10:24 p.m.
Sure thing.
Farseek states that you search your library for a plains, island, mountain, or swamp and put it into your hand. Basic lands are each of these types. Shock lands have 2 of these types listed beneath the picture (such as Blood Crypt ), so you are allowed to grab one of these as well. Guildgates do not have these types listed beneath the picture (such as Izzet Guildgate ), therefore you are not allowed to grab one of them because their only type is listed as "gate." I hope this clears it up for you.
Also, I also wish guildgates were basic land type combos as well. But we can never have nice things can we.
January 29, 2013 10:24 p.m.
I think if the guildgates were also both land types they would be too powerful for a common.
January 29, 2013 10:28 p.m.
Lostsorrow says... #8
Don't forget you can also pay the 2 life when you fetch for your shock land with farseek for it to come into play untapped if you need it immediately. Farseek says search for mountain, swamp, plains, island, or forest and put into play tapped however the shock land you pick says when it comes into play you may 2 life for it to come in untapped. It works because farseeks demands were met by the land coming into play tapped but when the shock land comes into play it causes a triggered ability of the shock land to let you untap it if you decide to pay the 2 life to do so.
January 29, 2013 10:48 p.m.
atreyujames says... #9
Lostsorrow: actually your wrong. you can still pay 2 life but the shockland will stay tapped. this is because Hallowed Fountain and the like will still be tapped by the effects of the Farseek and not by the ability of the land
January 29, 2013 10:53 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
This kind of question is best suited to the Q&A.
January 29, 2013 10:54 p.m.
evil_monkey says... #11
That is actually incorrect. Any land you get with Farseek comes into play tapped regardless of if you pay the life to ignore the shock lands enter tapped effect.Farseek 's requirement will still apply.
January 29, 2013 10:57 p.m.
Lostsorrow says... #13
No, Farseeks demands have already been met. it is a triggered ability of the shockland that starts a new stack. Farseek is resolved when the land comes into play, then the shock land triggers allowing you to pay for it to be untapped.
January 29, 2013 11:12 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #14
That's wrong. Farseek requires you to put the land into play tapped. Shock lands' abilities are replacement effects, but they won't override the replacement effect created by Farseek . The untap isn't a triggered ability that you can resolve after the land comes in.
January 29, 2013 11:14 p.m.
evil_monkey says... #15
No. They are two seperate ETBT effects. You can pay the 2 to ignore the shocklands ETBT effect but Farseek 's ETBT effect still takes place.
January 29, 2013 11:15 p.m.
Lostsorrow says... #16
Well then I guess all the judges have been wrong then....FNM Judges FTW
January 29, 2013 11:17 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #17
You should probably bring that to their attention, then. This interaction is kind of important.
January 29, 2013 11:21 p.m.
evil_monkey says... #18
If you still can't bring yourself to believe us, the ruling is pretty clear here.
January 29, 2013 11:26 p.m.
Lostsorrow says... #19
I was not trying to start a pissing match but I was only going off of what I was told because my opponent tried to do that and I questioned it to a Judge at different locations and they all ruled that it was OK. I will be sure to bring it up if it happens again, Thanks.
January 29, 2013 11:26 p.m.
evil_monkey says... #20
Sorry if we seemingly offended you, that was not our intention. Did that judging decision end up affecting your standings at your FNM's?
January 30, 2013 7:25 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #21
Just point out to them that the shocklands don't have any triggered abilities (abilities that start with "when/whenever/at"). The ability is a replacement effect that's applied as the land is entering the battlefield. Even if you pay 2 life for the land's ability, Farseek is still saying "it enters tapped", so it does.
meecht says... #2
Farseek says you have to find a Plains, Island, Swamp, or Mountain. Gates, like Azorius Guildgate just say "Land - Gate", but shocklands like Hallowed Fountain say "Land - Plains Island," so they are both land types. Your friend is correct.
If you use guildgates in your deck, then it might be better to use Gatecreeper Vine instead of Farseek so you can fetch gates.
January 29, 2013 10:22 p.m.