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Posted on Feb. 23, 2014, 12:31 p.m. by Peten16
Can anyone definitively explain how this card works? The card text is either poorly written or this card is incredibly broken.
It says...
Eidolon of Countless Battles AND enchanted creature each get +1/+1 for each creature you control and +1/+1 for each Aura you control.
So if there are two creatures in play, and then I bestow Eidolon of Countless Battles on one of them, the enchanted creature gets +3 (Creature 1, Creature 2 and EoCB) OR does it get +6? Since is says "Eidolon of Countless Battles AND enchanted creature each get +1/+1..."
Can anyone please explain this?
Yeah, so is it that Aura's cannot receive any kind of pump?
February 23, 2014 12:37 p.m.
Ok so if you play Eidolon of Countless Battles by itself it is a 1/1. If you put Ethereal Armor and Unflinching Courage on it, it would be a 3/3. If you play 2 creatures it would become a 5/5. Now, if you BESTOW Eidolon of Countless Battles onto a Gladecover Scout the Scout would be a 4/4. 3 power from 2 creatures and 1 from the enchantment aura. If you then played 2 more auras onto Scout, it would then go up to a 6/6 EXCLUDING whatever abilities the auras give you. Lets say you put on 1 Ethereal Armor and 1 Unflinching Courage . Your Gladecover scout would get:+2/+2 for Courage, +3/+3 for Ethereal Armor, +4/+4 for Eidolon of Countless Battles. This means your Gladecover Scout would be a 10/10 LIfelink, First Strike, Trample, Bestowed Creature.
February 23, 2014 12:38 p.m.
Sorry, if it's an enchantment it loses the creature abilitiy, but it's still a pretty good pump.
February 23, 2014 12:38 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #6
Eidolon by itself is a 2/2 because it has both card types.
With an armor, it is a 4/4, and with an additional Ucourage, it is a 9/9.
If it's an aura, it is not a creature. If it is a creature, it is still an enchantment.
February 23, 2014 12:42 p.m.
Thanks, guys. I still maintain that text is poorly written. Nevertheless, I have a Boros human weenie deck that was did pretty well, I am going to add this card to it.
February 23, 2014 12:45 p.m.
tigersfan774 says... #8
To directly answer your question Petin, the enchanted creature in your scenario would get plus 3. It doesn't double up. It's only worded that way so that if you cast Eidolon as a creature it would still get buffed by other creatures and auras.
February 23, 2014 12:47 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #9
The text is written correctly for the effect, you just have to understand how bestow and how creature buffs work.
February 23, 2014 12:47 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #10
Actually, it's a 1/1 when it is by itself. It counts Auras, not just Enchantments.
February 23, 2014 12:48 p.m.
GreatSword says... #11
@ThatBlueMage that's wrong.
Eidolon of Countless Battles counts creatures and auras. Auras are enchantments that are attached to permanents, not just normal enchantments.
Just count the number of creatures you control and the number of auras you control. Eidolon of Countless Battles buffs for that sum of those two.
February 23, 2014 12:50 p.m.
@ThatBlueMage no it is not a 2/2 by itself. It only counts Auras and Creatures. If you cast it as a creature and it's the only thing in play, while it is an enchantment it is not an aura unless bestowed, so, that means you'll have one creature in play and no auras in play and the Eidolon by itself will be a 1/1
now if you enchanted it with Ethereal Armor because the eidolon is an enchantment (which is what the armor counts not auras like the eidolon) you'll get +2/+2 from Ethereal Armor and the eidolon will count the auras and creatures (which will be 1 of each) so it'll be a 2/2 and with the buff from the armor be a 4/4 first striker.
February 23, 2014 12:51 p.m.
megawurmple says... #13
ThatBlueMage You're actually wrong in that Eidolon of Countless Battles is not a 2/2 by itself. It's only a 1/1. Eidolon counts creatures and auras, not enchantments. Since it is not an aura in creature form, it won't give itself 2 buffs, only 1.
February 23, 2014 12:53 p.m.
ooops forgot to add that the Eidolon will never count itself twice. It is either going to be an Enchantment-Aura (bestowed) or an enchantment creature (not bestowed), but it will never be an aura and a creature at the same time.
February 23, 2014 12:53 p.m.
megawurmple says... #15
I just got ninja'd by 3 people at once. That's awkward.
February 23, 2014 12:56 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #16
Alright, thanks everyone for reminding me to read cards. Thought it was all enchantments.
February 23, 2014 12:57 p.m.
megawurmple says... #17
ThatBlueMage It happens to everyone. My friend (who exclusively plays Modern, I might add) always forgets to get a land when he gets slapped by a Path to Exile . He also once played Verdant Haven in a limited deck without realising that it made your lands tap for more mana. He thought the bottom bit was flavour text. Basically, he saw it as this:
2G
Gain 2 life.
He still played it though, which is what I find strangest.
February 23, 2014 1:03 p.m.
In case you missed the first comment correcting you, here are three others.
February 23, 2014 1:23 p.m.
@ThatBlueMage don't worry about it, lots of people easily confuse that card because of how similar it is to Ethereal Armor . They see how similar the cards are and almost immediately assume they work the same way, but changing that one word, "enchantment", into "aura" makes a big difference.
Servo_Token says... #2
Eidolon isn't a creature when it is an aura. It either gets a buff, or gives one.
February 23, 2014 12:33 p.m.