I can say with near certainty competitive Breya wants nothing to do with that card. Her best combos have very little (only LED) to do with artifacts and her best builds run no more than 15 artifacts in total (most of which are rocks). None of her artifact combos are cEDH playable and triple blue is insane given that you can't even tap an artifact for blue.

For the uninitiated, here is a pretty good post and discussion of competitive Breya and her best combos

Breya's combos

I suppose I should have stated "my Breya" which is designed to be a 7/10 spike scale.

I don't run George because my playgroup packs instant speed removal and I can't afford to run Bomberman because most of the decks I play against are counterspell.dec so I have to keep the shields up, can't afford to pitch the hand.

I run the ashnods combos in a go wide strategy. (Ashnods/KCI/Mana Echoes/Grand Architect + Eldrazi Displacer/Nim Deathmantle)

The rest of the deck is simply tutors, removal, and protection.

Little slower than the other combos but a little easier to do safely and reliably.

My version is pretty U heavy as a result. Since most of my combos are colorless and most of the tutors are U or one black pip I can tweak the mana base to be more U/B/x/x and it works just fine.

For me Whir reads "Tap Breya and both thopters, pay UUU, tutor for combo piece."

So, I said I'd give a week for voting on the commanders I brought up. It's been 11 days because I'm forgetful. Anyway, here are the results:

Shattergang Brothers: Four votes for demotion, zero against

Titania, Protector of Argoth: Three votes for demotion, one against

Riku of Two Reflections: Two votes for demotion, two against

Oloro, Ageless Ascetic: Five votes for demotion, zero against

Saffi Eriksdotter: Three votes for demotion, two against

Child of Alara: Three votes for demotion, one against

Melek, Izzet Paragon: Five votes for demotion, zero against

Kaalia of the Vast: Six votes for demotion, zero against

Roon of the Hidden Realm: Three votes for demotion, one against

Rashmi: One vote for demotion, one against.

Based on these results, Shattergang, Oloro, Titania, Child, Melek, Kaalia, and Roon should all be demoted to Tier 3.

It was difficult to get exact answers out of people. A lot of feedback was "commander X is borderline tier 2-3", which isn't useful at all for getting information on which side of the line they should fall. That's a big reason why some commanders have 5+ votes while others have 2. It was also difficult because some people would say "I mostly agree with person X" without doing a full breakdown on where their opinions differed.

In the future, I'll try to host an actual survey with simple yes-no answers instead of asking for feedback. It should remove a lot of the ambiguity.

lol.

Uhh... Sorry. Completely missed that one.

• Shattergang Brothers: Down
• Titania, Protector of Argoth: Down
• Riku of Two Reflections: Pass - Don't know jack about Riku
• Oloro, Ageless Ascetic: Down
• Saffi Eriksdotter: Down
• Child of Alara: Down
• Melek, Izzet Paragon: Down
• Kaalia of the Vast: Down
• Roon of the Hidden Realm: Pass - Maybe a stay. I'd have to look into Roon.
• Rashmi: Pass

Uhh... Sorry. Completely missed that one.

• Shattergang Brothers: Down
• Titania, Protector of Argoth: Down
• Riku of Two Reflections: Pass - Don't know jack about Riku
• Oloro, Ageless Ascetic: Down
• Saffi Eriksdotter: Down
• Child of Alara: Down
• Melek, Izzet Paragon: Down
• Kaalia of the Vast: Down
• Roon of the Hidden Realm: Pass - Maybe a stay. I'd have to look into Roon.
• Rashmi: Pass

You missed Dralnu, Lich Lord. Though I honestly can't remember the outcome.

I didn't really put Dralnu up for the poll, but I believe the general consensus was that he should at least be in Tier 3.

I didn't really put Dralnu up for the poll, but I believe the general consensus was that he should at least be in Tier 3.

We def need a reset. We also still don't have a gaddock teeg list AND many of the lists haven't been updated in a while. Some upkeep is in order, no?

NarejED seems more active than thegigibeast. Perhaps there's a way for NarejED to take over temporary stewardship?

Whir of invention is no more broken than Tooth and Nail, so I think it'll be fine.

Going off of what TheDevicer said, some of the lists haven't been updated in awhile and I'd like to have my Azami list Prepare Your Salami for the Azami put up for consideration. I keep my list updated VERY regularly and I have the top rated Azami list on T/O as of now. The current featured list has a few questionable card choices in my opinion.

Looks Like Kraj got a friend

Ironically, I did almost make the list myself . This tier list was based off of Pmonk's. He was the first to make a list on Tappedout sorting all legal commanders into five tiers. But his creation was extremely flawed. He had things like Iona, Shield of Emeria in Tier 1. After it became clear that he had no intention of updating it to stay accurate, several of the users actively commenting on it, including Gigi and myself, decided a new one should be made. I copied Pmonk's list, but at the time there was a bug going around Tappedout where decks wouldn't display their custom categories. My copy kept showing up as an unreadable lump of cards instead of being sorted into Tier 1-5. I spent over an hour trying to remedy the issue, editing and deleting the list, refreshing, even attempting to contact the moderators for help. Before I could sort it out, Gigi made his own working list. By this time I'd given up hope of getting my own working. Gigi was quite active at the time, so I readily agreed to help with his.

That was over a year ago. This list now has over 300 upvotes and appears in dozens of folders. It's both of the top two results on Google when searching for EDH tier lists. It would take a true crisis to abandon the current list in order to transfer to a new owner. Short of one of Tappedout's developers physically stepping in and transferring ownership of this list, which I'm not sure is even feasible, the current setup won't change.

NarejED - Can't we just copy the current list, have discussions there, keep that list updated, then send Gigi the list every once in a while? That way, we can keep an up-to-date list AND keep this Tier list. We could still use this list for discussion of what decklists to use to represent commanders, but quibbling over what tiers said commanders are at would not clutter this page.

Is it just me, or do I remember a feature where you can give other users the ability to edit your decklist?

Sharing only works with private decklists :(

Im sorry guyz for not being the most active here and I c an understand your frustration... I am currently reading the 400+ comments to edit properly according to what was said, and there is going to be a comment reset right after.

If you prefer, we could try to ask an admin to see if they can do a trasnfer of the decklist in their database... I am pretty sure it is something that is possible... That way someone more active than me would be able to edit more often... Again, I am really sorry guyz...

No worries bro, life happens.

Thanks for the comment reset and updates :D

thegigibeast: Thank you for all the updates. I know its alot to manage and appreciate the overhaul. I see you used my list for Thrasios. Thank you for that, however, that particular list is somewhat out of date. I have further tuned it into this:

Let's Make Hermit Druid Great Again!

Also if you want a red/black partner version, I have been tuning a storm variant, which I think is better than my HD list. It is admittedly more in the prototype stage right now. I will eventually write a primer for this list as well. Paradox Engine Storm

You know if you are using vial smasher you could just make it a turns deck.

casting time walk every turn is fairly easy and with vial smasher in play it's lethal

I am glad to see a rest on the comments and we can now start a more current discussion. I do like that you are doing tier 3 lists. I would like to put my Zedr(YOU), Zed(WHAT) up for the spot for Zedruu the Greathearted. I feel it is tuned enough to be on the list but not complete as I want it.

I would also like to argue about zedruu moving up to tier 2. I do not think zedruu is tier 1 by any means but as I have ran it and tuned it it can fit in the category of tier 2.

The reasons I feel like this is that though most of the tier 1 one are combo heavy, Zedruu is able to keep them under control relatively quickly. a few quick spells and can slow them down to one spell a turn or possibly none depending on their build.

I have had experience against tazri, Prosh, yidris, jeleva, and yisan. (Not all in the same pod) with this build I was able to shut down prosh, yidris. Prevent yisan from doign anything worth while. SLow down jeleva enough to play some magic. And Tazri was the only one I had issues with as it is very redundant.

When looking at the tier 2 generals, there is none that I am really worried about in a multiplayer format.

As I read the description of the tiers also, I dont believe that I am a turn slower then tier 1, I am possibly more. but I can control the board state by turn 5 and with relative consistency. I have many more tutors then most zedruu builds I see and a lot more control over my draw.

I would say zedruu would be low tier 2 (if there was a sub ranking within each tier)

Ohthenoises: This is true. I havent tested extra turn spells and they may do wonders. Vial smashers only current role is to occassionally kill off an opponent randomly with an infinitely large chord of calling or green sun's zenith in case my other win conditions are exiled. He really is like plan z, I just like his colors