Kozilek, the Demon Butcher of Zendikar

Commander / EDH KingCarter

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Cleaning House —March 4, 2016

All comments in the stream were about how tokens don't go to the graveyard. I have since provided proof that they do in fact go to the graveyard therefore triggering Dross Scorpion. Check the description for more information about it.

So I am taking this opportunity to reset the discussion.

RupertPhd says... #1

your Dross Scorpion + Myr Turbine Combo doesn't work because Tokens are never put into the graveyard, they cease to exist.

February 18, 2016 2:10 a.m.

RupertPhd says... #2

My b, that combo works

February 18, 2016 2:58 a.m.

zactrixo says... #3

tought about changing your commander for Kozilek, the Great Distortion same body but in my opinion he is more consistent

February 18, 2016 5:29 p.m.

KingCarter says... #4

zactrixo There are a couple problems with Kozilek, the Great Distortion in my opinion. His cast ability could be better than Kozilek, Butcher of Truth but it could also be worse. Annihilator 4 is better than Menace hands down. And his last ability is kinda weird, it could be good, but in commander, usually all your cards are important in some way or serve a purpose. So why would you want to be discarding things that you need? On top of all that, you lose the card recursion that Kozilek, Butcher of Truth gives you when he dies.

As a side note, Kozilek, the Great Distortion's discard ability doesn't do you any good if you don't have a card with the same mana cost as the card you want to counter. So if you think about all those things, Kozilek, the Great Distortion is less consistent than the Butcher.

February 18, 2016 6 p.m.

Magic_Slayer says... #5

when Kozilek, Butcher of Truth dies you can choose to have him go to the graveyard or command zone. I do not think it you choose command zone you will shuffle your graveyard into your library... right>?

February 20, 2016 11:25 p.m.

KingCarter says... #6

Magic_Slayer I heard that you can have him go to graveyard, shuffle it into your library, then have him go to the command zone afterwards. I saw that in the description of another user's Kozilek EDH deck. I don't remember what the name of it was otherwise I would link it, but I could be wrong about the recursion thing. Even if I am wrong about that, the recursion was just a small bonus, it isn't the main reason for playing him. So, even if you don't get the recursion, it's still a better General than Kozilek, the Great Distortion, IMO.

February 21, 2016 12:03 a.m.

Magic_Slayer says... #7

I agree, and just recently did some digging and your right! It goes like this, let him hit Graveyard then that triggers shuffle, then with new rule he can go back to command zone! Bonus! sweet man.

February 23, 2016 4:25 p.m.

KingCarter says... #8

Magic_Slayer Do you know what the rule is called cuz my friends are gonna get mad when I do that in game without an explanation lol, .nd thanks for finding out and letting me know. I thought it might have been hearsay but now I know it's a rule. Much appreciated!

February 23, 2016 7:08 p.m.

Magic_Slayer says... #9

I found it multiple places on google, but this is right from this site.

When Kozikek goes to graveyard

February 23, 2016 7:19 p.m.

KingCarter says... #10

Magic_Slayer Thanks a ton man, that helps a lot.

February 23, 2016 7:28 p.m.

KingCarter says... #11

Magic_Slayer I found the actual rule. It's rule 903.11, you can read it if you are interested in the exact wording. This is probably irrelevant by now but I figured I might as well link the actual rule just cuz we didn't link the official wording.

February 28, 2016 6:49 p.m.