[cEDH Primer] To Infinity & Beyond

Commander / EDH Flash_Andretti

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March 1st, 2020 Decklist Update —March 1, 2020

This past month activity in the Elsha server has been rocking and for good reason. We all collectively have fleshed out the Timetwister line more as well as, testing the Ghostly Flicker/Mystic Sanctuary combo, in which I will update the primer sometime this week in detail on how to perform and when you would usually go for it. The cards for it will be in the maybe section!

Overall this deck is not geared towards any particular meta. This list is meant to go BLIND, for ANY meta. You can for sure tune it to your meta and take things out, I will never stop someone from playing what they want, that is the beauty of commander.

With that said, 9 cards added in, 9 cards taken out! Onto the update!

IN:

Disenchant - Another form of removal does not hurt the list at all.

Force of Negation - This replaces Snap on the list. No need to explain it!

Gemstone Caverns - Adds to our early game and can be a mountain mid-game via Blood Moon or fodder for Mox Diamond.

Negate - This was originally taken out to try other cards, but after testing without it, I found I wanted it so many times, so it is back in.

Not Forgotten - This is the regrowth effect we needed for the TimeTwister lines.

Plateau - Put it back into the list after further testing. It's needed.

Sea of Clouds - Decided to put it back into the list after further testing.

Snow-Covered Plains - Replaces Wooded Foothills, didn't do enough as a fetch as it only got 3 lands.

Steal Enchantment - This card is great and allows us to utilize other enchantments we usually wouldn't have access too.

Out:

Back to Basics - After testing it and Blood Moon, Moon comes up more and is better for us overall. It isn't terrible, but the slot is better used with another card.

Bloodstained Mire - Can only fetch 3 lands, so replaced this with Gemstone Caverns.

Heliod's Intervention - The double white was way to intensive than I had previously imagined. Went with Disenchant instead.

Intuition - I'm not liking it enough to warrant a slot for Breach and ts too much mana.

Sevinne's Reclamation - It is okay, but in the grander scheme of things, does not do enough.

Snap - While okay, Flicker does more for you overall.

2x Snow-Covered Islands - No longer supporting B2B.

Wooded Foothills - Replaced with Sea of Clouds. Only can fetch 3 cards, which isn't good enough.

Maybe:

Kykar, Winds Fury - If you want to be more aggressive and go deeper into Breach lines, you can run him over GAAIV.

Ghostly Flicker - Replaces FoN if you want it in the list. Overall has more utility and synergies with the deck than Snap. Also does well late game.

Mystic Sanctuary - Combo's well with Flicker, but also has great utility in the list. We are running the bare minimum of 8 Islands for it.

Rest In Peace - This is a nombo with Breach, but you could easily switch them.

enpc says... #1

If you're including bomberman, a card I have found to be good value is Conjurer's Bauble. At worst it's a cantrip, however with the bomberman loop, it lets you draw your entire library/reset your graveyard.

Also just a note, your CSS for the page doesn't distinguish between highlighted and non-highlighted cards (from clicking on the charts and having the coresponding cards hightlight).

January 31, 2020 9:30 a.m.

artificium says... #2

Thanks for all the inspiration! Recently added snap to my list as well. Also been considering underworld breach, gonna have to try it out. Might have to add angels grace as well

February 4, 2020 3:17 a.m.

Jamesbrine says... #3

Nice list. I have a line that was looking for a home. This looks like it. This is the line: 1. Intuition for Sevinne’s reclamation, underworld breech, lions eye. 2. Get breech in play (does not matter what they give you). 3. Cast lions eye and intuition. Get helm, top, gush.

February 4, 2020 12:33 p.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #4

Jamesbrine that line is definitely viable, I chose to not run it because right now i'm preferring Back to Basics and Blood Moon more. Now If I cut one of them I would add this in the deck for sure.

artificium thanks for the kind words friend. Snap is an amazing card and glad i run breach as well. Only run grace in your list if it can be used in multiple instances, not just 1 scenario. Elsha kind of hates dead cards for good reason.

enpc I will test that at a later date. For now I am finding success with this list and love it. As for the css, thank you for telling me, will look for a fix on it soon.

February 4, 2020 1:01 p.m.

skyhaven says... #5

just want to say that this list inspired my list and it's been fun so far. But i wanted to join the discord server but link seems to be out of date again.

February 9, 2020 12:57 a.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #6

Hey skyhaven the link should be working, it is permanent. Here is another one https://discord.gg/MJzT6Tt

February 11, 2020 12:45 a.m.

gweintraut says... #7

Really confused as to how this deck makes infinite mana without IsoRev. You mention smothering tithe and twister/reversal but dont you need a lot of mana available to start producing the infinite mana?

February 17, 2020 10:37 p.m.

Flash_Andretti says... #8

Hi gweintraut, thank you for checking out the primer. I definitely appreciate it buddy, now for some explanations.

The idea behind cutting it IsoRev was the role it served could be filled by breach+LED with less startup resources as well as being better cards overall. But without LED (and twister) you need to reach an egregious amount of Mana to start utilizing payoffs (4 for tithe, 1 for angels grace, 3 for wheel/windfall) versus the relatively small startup cost of isorev (3 post top+reducer). While it's certainly possible, as most lists run 9+ fast Mana, it becomes significantly less "guaranteed" as you could draw an amount of that before going off. Which could lead to situations where you need to have excess Mana before going off (in addition to whatever you need to defend the combo).

With that said, 1 way to make infinite using Smothering Tithe:

Draw through with top, playing fast Mana off the top along the way. Once you've drawn everything, activate scroll rack, hold priority and return it to your hand with chain of vapors. Return everything in your hand back to your library, with scroll rack, smothering tithe, windfall and rolling earthquake at the bottom. Redraw everything until you reach scroll rack, cast that. Then smothering tithe. Then windfall. You'll make like 150 mana and draw REQ. Activate scroll rack (it's untapped cuz you recast it) and put REQ back on top. Cast REQ for lethal. If you needed even MORE Mana, you could sac off your lands to bounce all the free rocks you played before scroll racking (the first time) too. This is without Breach.

For Timetwister, you only need like 40 mana and 40 spell casts which you could generate post-draw via Breach > Smothering Tithe > Twister > redraw extorting 15 times > Escape Twister > Redraw extorting 15 times > Escape Twister > redraw extorting 15 times. only requirement being 40ish cards left in your gamestate (hand/yard/library) to enable the draws and pay for escape twice. (This also works with echo, as smothering tithe should produce 21 mana per iteration, giving you 15 for extort and 6 to recast echo).

February 18, 2020 1:28 a.m.

PeskyPineapple says... #9

I've been reading this over and over and trying to imagine what the Timetwister loop is, and what the underworld breach loop is, but I just can't quite understand it. What is the regrowth effect referenced in the TT loop?

I basically just don't understand what the first two lines of play explained are; I'm sure they're well written when you know what they are, but they're a little too sparse for me to be able to completely understand. Can someone either explain them in a more robust way, or point me to a source that does? I've looked, but I can't find anywhere else that even goes this deep, and I'd really like to understand what's going on with these combos.

February 19, 2020 11:15 p.m.

How are you PeskyPineapple. To better explain the terms, Spleen made a post a 6 months ago on reddit about the terms i've used here.

An example of a regrowth effect would be Not Forgotten. For more grander explanations though, we have very capable people on the Elsha discord server...

February 19, 2020 11:37 p.m.

Flash_Andretti thanks for the link to both the terms and the discord, that's exactly what I was looking for!

February 20, 2020 1:44 a.m.