What happens when you Clone Prossh, Skyraider of Kher?
Asked by carpecanum 6 years ago
If a Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of Prossh, Skyraider of Kher do you put 4 kobolds into play (assuming you spent 4 mana to cast the spell)? Do you get no kobolds because at the time of casting its just a Clone, not becoming Prossh until it hits the battlefield?
darkmatter32x says... #2
as DRACULA150704 said you get 4 tokens because thats clone's casting cost. However if you own both Prossh and clone you have to sacrifice one of it, it is a state based action. You can only have one legendary creature having the same name.
October 25, 2017 3:49 a.m.
Neither of you guys are right.
The answer is no, you don't get tokens. Prossh says that it triggers when its CAST, not when it ETB. Clone is still Clone on stack and you are casting Clone, not Prossh.
October 25, 2017 6:08 a.m. Edited.
darkmatter32x says... #4
Ziembski I totally agree on you. I have to read the card again. I stand corrected. Legendary rules still apply.
October 25, 2017 6:44 a.m.
This is quite the confusing thread, and Ziembski is the only one with a correct answer here. As a matter of fact, you wouldn't normally announce which permanent Clone will become a copy of until it resolves, which is long after Prossh's ability would have triggered.
@DRACULA150704: You're right about everything you said, except that Prossh doesn't have an ETB ability. Its first ability triggers when cast, and since Clone becomes a copy of the permanent inbetween the stack and the battlefield, that ability can't trigger.
@darkmatter32x: The casting cost is (as well as an additional for every time the creature has been put in the command zone, if you're playing the Commander variant). Nothing is an additional cost that isn't specifically designated as such - especially cast triggers, which only trigger after finishing the process of casting a card (meaning to put it on the stack).
Also, the legendary rule has nothing to do with this at all - all it does is have a player that controls two permanents with the same name choose one of them and put it on the graveyard. This doesn't prevent that permanent's ETB abilities from triggering, but as stated above, Prossh doesn't have one of those.
DRACULA150704 says... #1
Yeas, you get 4 kobolds because Clone enters as a copy of Prossh, Skyraider of Kher, triggering the EtB effect because it has already turned into Prossh, Skyraider of Kher before it enters the battlefield.
October 25, 2017 3:31 a.m.