Why does tapped out prevent EDHrec from collecting data?
TappedOut forum
Posted on Dec. 31, 2018, 12:15 p.m. by veritas723
i like this site, i think it's one of the better places to house deck lists.
but... i also care about edh/community.
gonna suck to have to abandon this site for one that actually supports the community
You prob should of posted this in the tapped out site forum. As this is probably a question for admin. The deck help forum is used for deck specific help. yeaGO is the only admin/mod that I can think off of top of my head ATM.
December 31, 2018 7:59 p.m.
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December 31, 2018 8:34 p.m.
RedDeckTries says... #5
Arguing that tapped out doesn't support the edh community because it isn't itegrated with another site isn't fair.
January 1, 2019 8:54 a.m.
caantpayrent says... #6
I'm definitely keen to know the answer...There seems to be a pretty big difference between edhrec lists and that of decks on here..with the decks on here seemingly stronger.
January 1, 2019 8:59 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #7
Honestly I think EDHrec is trashy, so I think that T/O supports EDH more w/o using EDHrec than with.
January 1, 2019 11:38 a.m.
caantpayrent says... #8
Trashy how? SynergyBuild, imo its probably the best begginers tool.. Ive sent a good number of people there who are just getting into Edh.
One of the reasons tappedout (imo) has just on average stronger decks and people will suggest better options. Edhrec is a blunt card pool.. While tappedout and the alts are refined and optomized. But if you're a new player looking for fun and seeing what options you have I'd have to give the Gold medal to edhrec.
January 1, 2019 5:52 p.m.
While I don't think trashy is an accurate descriptive word for EDHrec, I do agree that T/O provides significantly more value to EDH players than EDHrec does. I'd use the analogy of eating at McDonalds (EDHrec) and having your own personal chef (T/O) - you can use the first for a quick and easy option based on popularity, or you can use the second to feed your taste as desired, and interact on how the finished product comes about.
While tracking card popularity can certainly be useful, especially to the new or inexperienced player, having interaction with fellow deckbuilders regarding the commander of your choice, and building and modifying that option utilizing best fits for the flavor you're after, is always going to provide a greater long-term benefit. Given the choice to look up top T/O deck lists or use EDHrec, I'll take T/O all day, every day. In the end, though, we're really comparing apples and oranges in my eyes.
January 1, 2019 10:38 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #10
caantpayrent you want a blunt card pool? Try Gatherer or Scryfall, I dislike EDHrec for other things, more political than strictly what is on the site itself, okay?
How is something that is refined by deck data a 'blunt card pool', it obviously is refined to some extent, and I dislike the website, if you like it, that is your opinion, we do not need to agree.
Azdranax while I agree on your sentiment, EDHrec also slows down websites with its automated system, taking up space that should be spent on T/O's userbase. Also, EDHrec is super overrated, its articles I find trashy, its recommended precon upgrades are a trap, and its authors are simply uninformed.
January 2, 2019 8:34 a.m.
caantpayrent says... #11
I don't want a blunt card pool but for new deck brewers it's a good tool.
January 2, 2019 9:01 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #12
caantpayrent I'll give you that one part of it isn't a bad tool, but claiming it is particularly good is... weak.
Also, EDHrec has more than that tool, read any of the rest, and you will find a bunch of inane writing. This will stray newer players and confuse many of them, I find this additional part, the authors, articles, recommended upgrades, etc. all to be simply deceptive and often bad for anyone that takes it as true.
January 2, 2019 9:09 a.m.
For years their reddit bot scraped the site and arguably fueled edhrecs entire existence. At some point I discovered that other deck builder sites had special access to this data and were using it for features, without even so much as a heads up to me. I confronted edhrec, who apologized, but said they'd rather stop collecting data from t/o than stop their integrations. I understand that inconveniences some folks but maintaining the integration with them was time and resource consuming and we didn't turn out to be great partners.
January 3, 2019 1:02 a.m.
caantpayrent says... #14
Wow, seems like a pretty big mis step from edhrec.. But oh well. Thanks for the answer yeaGO
January 3, 2019 1:14 a.m.
i'm sure they'll be fine. too bad that it didn't work out better but that's how it goes sometimes i guess.
January 3, 2019 1:15 a.m.
caantpayrent says... #16
My assumption is that it would be incredibly hard but what sort team would be needed to create a mini edhrec using only t/o data? I know this is just a hypothetical but I do genuinely believe the average deck here is considerably more refine and optimised than the edhrec's and out of curiosity i think it'd be interesting to see how rankings changed.
January 3, 2019 3 a.m.
DrukenReaps says... #17
caantpayrent it would take only 1 programmer to implement things like the average card in a deck on this website. It would take some time for 1 programmer and would preferably be someone already familiar with the website but 1 programmer is all it takes to get anything programmed. It isn't until you start talking about deadlines that you have to start looking at multiple people to do the job.
January 4, 2019 1:23 a.m.
funny you should bring that up....
upgraders only for now, sorry
(also, sorry if the recommendations are weird/bad. we just used pretty unclean data for the prototype)
January 4, 2019 9:56 p.m.
caantpayrent says... #19
Ohh wow yeaGO so is that based on how often cards are found in the same deck?
January 5, 2019 12:13 a.m.
I realize this is an old thread, but I found it while thinking about this today. I am a huge fan of tappedout and will always use it as my primary place for deck brewing, and I've promoted it heavily to my friends. That being said, I find EDHRec useful as one of many tools available, and want to contribute my own stats. It was helpful to learn that Moxfield encourages you duplicate your t/o lists there. Its deeply inferior to t/o and I have no intention of using it for any serious purposes, but it takes 5 minutes to import my decklists and it gives me peace of mind that I've done my part withput compromising tappedout's system.
enpc says... #2
I'm guessing it's a bandwidth issue (amongst other things). Tappedout is a good website but it is quite heavy and having EDHREC sifting through data in the background doesn't help.
The other thing is that EDHREC (according to some comments I found on Reddit) may be released its own deck builder tool. If that's the case then the two services would be in direct competition for usage. I'm not saying that two similar services can't collaborate however at that point most people will just choose one or the other.
Personally I've never been that keen on EDHREC. Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against it however I do find that it breeds the attitude of "you should run this card because everyone runs it" which removes some critical thinking from deck building. But each to their own.
December 31, 2018 7:58 p.m.