How Likely is a Return to Lorwyn to Occur?

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Posted on Feb. 10, 2017, 12:01 a.m. by DemonDragonJ

Another plane that I know to which some players wish to return is Lorwyn, so I shall start this thread to discuss the feasibility of such a return, and what it would imply for the game.

First, the story of the Lorwyn block was, as far as I know, fairly self-contained, not having any major connection to any other storyline in the game (other than the Mending causing the shift from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor to happen earlier than it naturally would have), and ended without any significant cliffhangers or unresolved plot lines, so there may not be sufficient reason, in-story, to return there, at least not in an entire block. If there was to be a return there, I would not wish for the Gatewatch to go for, but for it to again be fairly self-contained, as was the original block and as the two Conspiracy sets are. The only planeswalker who has any reason to go there is Nissa, so I have no problem with her returning there, as long as no one else goes there.

Second, what possible conflict could there be? Would the Great Aurora be causing trouble, again?

Third, what mechanical themes would return? I know that WotC is no longer using the tribal card type, but tribal themes are very strong in Lorwyn and Shadowmoor, so there would need to be a tribal theme of some form in a return that plane. I would also hope for some really good dual lands, again.

What does everyone else say about this? How likely is it that there shall be a return to Lorwyn?

scopesightzx says... #2

I would say that Bolas could potentially have interest in the plane. With the Great Aurora being a natural phenomenon that corrupts those of the plane, he could try to turn it into an enslavement mechanism. He may start by observing Oona and her faeries, since they have the most resistance to the effects of the aurora. It's possible that once he has an understanding of how to use the Great Aurora (or possibly even replicate it for himself elsewhere), that he may try to turn one of the gatewatch to his side with it.

February 10, 2017 12:05 a.m.

Kiortio says... #3

If I remember right, Maro said a return to Lorwyn was unlikely because the set itself was poorly received. There is the Storm Scale like scale that Maro made, that has the probability of us returning to certain planes.

February 10, 2017 1:43 a.m.

Ixidron says... #4

It's time to return to Dominaria. It's a wonderful place, so full of slivers.

February 10, 2017 9:05 a.m.

TheDevicer says... #5

Lorwyn has rightfully earned a reputation in my shop and circle of friends as a fairly odd block. There's just a lot of janky stuff in the block and I think many people are put off by it. Return would seem unlikely, but I wouldn't put it past wizards to try and redo a tribal-centric plane again.

February 10, 2017 9:35 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #6

scopesightzx, I would greatly prefer that Bolas have no involvement in a return to Lorwyn, since he already has great involvement in the story.

Kiortio, Mark Rosewater rated Lorwyn as a 7 out of 10 on his Rabiah Scale, meaning that a return there is unlikely in the near future, but I see no reason why we cannot speculate about it. Why was the block poorly received, anyway?

Ixidron, yes, I, also, am hoping for a return to Dominaria, eventually, but I have already started a thread to discuss that subject, so there is no need to discuss it, here.

February 10, 2017 9:47 a.m.

Phaetion says... #7

As far as I'm concerned, there will never be a Standard-based Lorwyn block again because 'Watch.

What we could see though, is something akin to Conspiracy, except Lorwyn is the focused plane. Tribal limited, anyone?

February 10, 2017 9:49 a.m.

GeminiSpartanX says... #8

Eventually I think there will be a return to Lorwyn, for no other reason than people eventually will run out of ideas for new planes to visit.

February 10, 2017 9:54 a.m.

libraryjoy says... #9

That's too bad, because Lorwyn block is probably my favorite. The art is beautiful, and I prefer tribal, especially elves, faeries, & merfolk. The hybrid cards are fun to work with, too, and I enjoy Kinship mechanic and Champion mechanic. If not in standard, it would be a lot of fun in a supplementary product to reprint a lot of the cool tribal cards.

February 10, 2017 12:59 p.m.

AwezomePozzum says... #10

Tribal Masters? Probably not lol. Although I'm hoping for a return to Alara myself (home plane of Ajani, Tezzeret, and the now-deceased Elspeth, as well as the main base of operations for Bolas, outside Amonkhet), but I also really do like Llorwyn. I guess we'll see, as there is a scheduled Return block after Amonkhet.

February 10, 2017 11:15 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #11

AwezomePozzum, Elspeth is not from Alara; her home plane has not yet been revealed.

February 11, 2017 10:45 a.m.

Phaetion says... #12

Also, Elspeth's home plane was Phyrexianized, so there will be multiple Phyrexias, not just Mirrodin/New Phyrexia.

Geez, I think that's a record of how many times Phyrexia was said in one sentence.

February 11, 2017 11:50 a.m.

AwezomePozzum says... #13

Well, she may not have been from Bant, but didn't she live there for a while?

February 11, 2017 2:54 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #14

AwezomePozzum, yes, but so did Gideon, and he is not from that plane, either. On that subject, it is amazing that Elspeth and Gideon have never met (as far as we know), since both have visited Bant and Elspeth visited Gideon's home plane of Theros.

Phaetion, has it ever been revealed if Elspeth's home plane was conquered by the original Phyrexia or by new Phyrexia?

February 11, 2017 11:32 p.m.

Phaetion says... #15

DemonDragonJ: This is a third Phyrexia. Remember, Karn carried the oil with him (you can thank Xantcha for that), and every world he planeswalked to he "gave" them the oil without knowing it.



February 12, 2017 8:38 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #16

Phaetion, yes, I forgot about that; that sounds like an excellent way to set up for a future storyline, because there is no way to know how many planes Karn may have accidentally infected.

This thread is digressing from its original topic, so could we please return to the original topic? Even if a return to Lorwyn is unlikely to occur in the near future, what are some ideas that you may have for it?

February 12, 2017 3 p.m.

AwezomePozzum says... #17

Phyrexian Llorwyn? :3

February 12, 2017 8:35 p.m.

Phaetion says... #18

I, for one, would love a "Tribal Masters" set set in Lorwyn including some new cards. Kind of like how the Conspiracy sets were structured.

February 12, 2017 10:04 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #19

AwezomePozzum, I do agree that Phyrexia needs to invade more planes, to help increase its threat level, but having it invade every existing plane is lazy writing, just as it would be lazy writing to have the eldrazi invade every previously-visited plane, as well.

February 13, 2017 10:18 p.m.

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