Return to Tarkir
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Posted on Feb. 1, 2016, 7:42 p.m. by Atony1400
With all the return sets were seeing now (ie. Return to Ravnica, Battle for Zendikar, and Shadows over Innistrad), is it likely that in a few years or so, we may see a "Return to Tarkir", maybe having to do with Narset Transcendent traveling back in time, or something?
TheFoilAjani says... #3
Oh yeah, we will likely see a return in 3-5 years probs.
February 1, 2016 7:54 p.m.
GreenGhost says... #4
Well maro himself said return to tarkir is not a matter of if, but rather when. I'd say give it 4-5 years or so.
February 1, 2016 7:55 p.m.
If history repeats itself, I'm holding my fetches. Look at the battle lands, they will probably print those instead of the fetches, AGAIN! (yes, I'm looking at you ZEN /BFZ)
February 1, 2016 7:59 p.m.
Two issues with this. One, they're not going back to Tarkir for at least another 3 years.
Two, if they're smart they won't spend a return set exploring the EXACT SAME THING that happened in the old set. So, no more time travel. Ever. Sorry.
February 1, 2016 8:17 p.m.
Still holding my fetches, they probably won't reprint them.
February 1, 2016 8:32 p.m.
Sorry dude no. We will not be traveling back in time again. But I can see the bolas vs Ugin battle royal happening on tarkir. Or maybe even bolas vs the five dragonlords.
All I'm saying is when we do return bolas will be there. And he will fall.
February 1, 2016 10:13 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #9
If the story does return to Tarkir, and I am certain that it shall, eventually, is there any chance of the three-colored clans returning? I know that they were perhaps the most popular aspect of that block, and that the players were thrilled to finally have wedge-colored factions, but very displeased when they were erased from history, so WotC would surely seek a way to bring them back in a manner that is believable.
February 3, 2016 10:15 p.m.
I could see wizards reviving the clans. A mixture of old and new khans of that era could rise up and rebuild the clan against the dragonlords.
List of possible khans-
Anafenza- it's obvious she is still devoted to the old ways. Maybe as her power grows and she gains a following she turns against dromoka after finding her dark "necromancy".
Sidisi- she's obviously gonna try and kill Silumgar. Why not also revive the sultai?
Temur- these guys need a new khan simply because Surrak is more then happy to keep killing without stopping. Not saying that he's a bad guy but... He doesn't seem to care how much he hunts as long as he gets to keep punching them damn bears and dragons. I believe the new khan would have to be more shaman like and seek to revive a more harmonious balance between clam and nature and work more with the elementals.
Mardu- sorry but Zurgo has gone little bitch mode. He's not ever gonna be khan again and if he tried to become khan I'd bet anything that Kolaghan would eat him for breakfast. This guy will never be khan again. As for a new khan well I'd expect the same nomadic warrior type but maybe more controlled possibly even merciful.
Jeskai- Narset went peace and became a planeswalker and while it would be AWESOME to see her fight ojutai she can't be a khan. Maybe she leaves the clues or even trains someone in the old ways who will one day become khan. I don't know honestly with this one. Wizards through me through a loop when Narset became a walker so if the clans were reinstated I have no idea who'd end up khan of Jeskai simply becuase Narset is a walker.
These are just my thoughts I hope I give you hope for the future.
February 4, 2016 8:14 a.m.
DemonDragonJ, and Ej1997, we'd have to return to Alara first!
February 4, 2016 6:29 p.m.
Oh I know that. I want to return to alara and have Emrakul appear there. Anybody wanna see progentitus vs Emrakul?
February 4, 2016 7:41 p.m.
Emrikul will reappear, it's just unsure where. Some people think SOI, others in the block that follows. All I know is, when he comes back, expect some destruction. Hopefully not Theros. That's my favorite plane.
February 4, 2016 9:36 p.m.
wasianpower says... #15
@Ej1997 but wasn't Anafenza executed in the new timeline?
February 4, 2016 9:41 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #17
Tas is currently an ornament around Silumgar's neck.
February 4, 2016 9:51 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #18
So Tasi got wrecked, Anafenza got wrecked, I think Sarkhan ain't doing much, Zurgo is a wimp, Narset is a walker, and Surrak is a dragon-friend.
February 4, 2016 10:14 p.m.
@wasianpower: yes she was but in doing though she has become a living embodiment of the ancestors and has performed multiple feets other spirits have not displayed. I could very well see here playing a role similar to the ghost council of orzova on ravnica leading the Abzan clan as a ghost until a time when the Abzan can find a suitable Khan.
And tasigur is a fate reforged khan he'd be dead no matter what.
February 4, 2016 10:43 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #20
Whoops, I meant to say that Sidisi is a crumbling zombie Naga. She may be doing a bit of scheming, but not much.
February 4, 2016 11:04 p.m.
The thing with sidisi is that she seems pretty powerful and that her plotting will eventually show that.
February 5, 2016 12:21 a.m.
bennybubbles says... #22
I feel like the mending would have affected the dragonstorms and (this is where it gets baseless) that the colour alignment of the dragons being born is shifting, causing 5 new-ish breeds of dragon that take over the clans and destroy or convert the current dragonlords. The new dragon clans would most likely be wedge or enemy coloured and will change the clans in relatively small ways (the same amount of difference between the KTK clans and the DTK clans).
February 5, 2016 7:33 a.m.
How would you reason that? We've seen modern day post mending tarkir and their is no evidence of other species of dragon.
February 5, 2016 8:29 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #24
Yes, there will be a return to Tarkir. No, it won't be anytime in the near future. And no, there won't be a time-travel thing.
What seems likely, from how the story ended, is that it will be a plotline around the non-dragons learning about the pre-dragonlord history, and trying to regain their independene and re-establish the clans.
If I had to guess. Which I don't. So I won't.
February 5, 2016 8:35 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #25
bennybubbles The mending happened loooong before the events of Tarkir. Like, looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong before.
February 5, 2016 12:55 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #26
Atony1400: if the story returned to Alara, would there still be three-colored cards in such a set, despite the shards merging, again? Those were what made the block so popular, from what I observed.
February 6, 2016 1:03 a.m.
GreenGhost says... #27
I mean they hinted at dissidents within the clans. Temur still practicing shamanism and Abzan still regarding their ancestors.
February 6, 2016 1:06 a.m.
DemonDragonJ alara was completely multicolored at the end of the block so I can see the world still having a strong multicolor presence
February 6, 2016 9:39 a.m.
bennybubbles says... #29
TheFoilAjani is that right? I was under the impression that it was more recent, since I'm pretty sure that when Ugin awoke he was unaware of The Mending and it's effects and was surprised at the change in his powers. Also Liliana was born before The Mending and she is described as centuries old, not milennia. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just curious. Source?
February 7, 2016 12:16 a.m.
bennybubbles says... #30
And Ej1997 it would be naive to assume that The Mending didn't affect the dragonstorms in some way as they are tied to Ugin and his power was affected by the mending like everyone else. Even though we haven't seen changes, most of the dragons were in the clan's primary colour (dromoka's were mostly white etc). My guess is that the primary colour doesn't change but the secondary one does, to an enemy pair (Kolaghan to RW for example). Out of universe, I think WOTC understands that DTK wasn't as well received as KTK which was in some part due to changing from wedges (one of a kind) to ally pairs (much more common). It is too late now in my opinion for them to change back to wedges, but at least enemy pairs will have some degree of uniqueness in the multiverse.
February 7, 2016 12:23 a.m.
@ bennybubbles the link above is the the Liliana story scroll down to Once We were gods. Liliana was born premending.
Also to the events of tarkir happening post mending it is reasonable to believe that since sarkhan traveled back and felt no different then when he was in the present. Though we have no other prescidents to examine we'll have to assume that since sarkhan did not feel different. That and Ugin would have been more alarmed at loosing that much power and he didn't seem to notice it at all.
Another thing you need to examine looking at this is that Ugin and Bolas even post mending are beings of vast power since they're both dragon planeswalkers.
As for the other species of dragon and the return of the wedges.
The reason I don't see another species of dragon is because tarkir has existed for a thousand years stably and I do not see it changing. However if we wanted to find reasons for it to happen their are multiple ideas that could work.
1st: Ugins awakening changes the dynamic of the plane and the storms change to bring about enemy pair dragons.
2nd: The dragonlords learn from their human servants and gain that unallyed color back to reform the wedges.
3rd: bolas and Ugin once again prepare for war on the plane and the dragonlords are divided between their sire and the one who bested their sire causing them to develop further.
4th: Bolas and Ugin once again battle on tarkir. This time though bolas has figured out how to create his own dragon storms and their for enemy colored dragons appear.
Those are my thoughts on the subject.
February 7, 2016 10:38 a.m.
bennybubbles says... #32
Ej1997 I know Liliana was born before The Mending, my point is that she is always described as centuries old not millennia, which leads me to conclude that The Mending happened centuries ago (<1000 years). I also read on WOTC's website during Fate Reforged design an article about designing Ugin and how they could create a card for a planeswalker pre mending but still make it balanced. I cannot find the article for now, but I will attempt to locate it. That aside, the main reason I think something will change in Return to Tarkir is that WOTC know that DTK was a bit lackluster and will try to do something to rectify that in a return block.
February 7, 2016 4:28 p.m.
bennybubbles says... #33
Skip to the Ugin entry and you find: "The issue is that Fate Reforged takes place more than a thousand years ago, clearly before the Mending. That meant that any Planeswalker native to this time would be a pre-Mending Planeswalker." This clearly states that the story of Fate Reforged takes place not only before The Mending, but long before, as evidenced by MaRo using the phrase 'clearly before the Mending'.
February 7, 2016 5:12 p.m.
bennybubbles I did not notice that thank you for the clarification. Though I do not agree that DTK was lackluster. I personally was as hype train human when I saw the Dragonlords and the set still has special place in my heart as the best set I've played in.
Atony1400: I don't know though I'll look it up.
February 8, 2016 12:01 p.m.
bennybubbles says... #36
Atony1400 the Lorwyn 5 were not premending, only Liliana. Ej1997 personally I loved DTK, dragons are my favourite thing in the world and it is my all time favourite set. In saying that however, the general vibe I have gotten from people I've spoken to is that the reception for DTK was overall not great unfortunately.
February 8, 2016 3:30 p.m.
The set was not one of the better ones, imo. I played standard a few days after KTK cane out, and there was a huge difference than when Theros came out. I even played the DTK prerelease, and it was also not as fun as a THS/KTK FNM.
To make all that short, DTK was not as fun as Theros standard, imo.
February 8, 2016 6:22 p.m.
Back to a return to Tarkir I think if we come back the Rakshasa will have a more profound impact, Ej1997, what do you think?
TheFoilAjani says... #2
I am not discussing this. We were literally JUST on Tarkir. What is up with people (Magic Players)? First it's, "BACK TO THEROS NAOW" then go, "WotC is doing another Return to a much beloved set after good successes with all 3 Returns? Ban WotC kappa!" Jesus.
February 1, 2016 7:53 p.m.