Which cards can a wish spell pull in a subgame?
Asked by Yesterday 3 years ago
I found a thread from 2017 that says that, in a subgame created by Shahrazad, the owner of the Shahrazad card can cast Burning Wish to add Shahrazad into its owner's hand in the subgame from the stack in the main game.
So firstly I wanted to check if that was correct and is still correct.
If so, which other cards from public in-game zones can wish spells pull into the subgame? Could a card be pulled from the main game's graveyard? Battlefield? This all seems ridiculous, but frankly so do subgames in general.
Also, can a Burning Wish still pull cards from your main game's sideboard into the subgame? Is it still considered your sideboard in the subgame?
Once you finish the subgame, do those cards get shuffled into your library along with everything else in the main game?
And do the answers to these questions still apply if you start a subgame within a subgame?
sergiodelrio says... Accepted answer #2
400.11. An object is outside the game if it isn’t in any of the game’s zones. Outside the game is not a zone.
So the way 'outside the game' is defined by the rules is basically a negative 'inside the game' zone check.
Since Shaharazad is not legal in tournament play, all those rulings apply to casual games only, where 'outside the game' expands from a sideboard to your collection. Since the cards from the other game are in your collection and the games are not connected.
722.1a A “subgame” is a completely separate Magic game created by an effect.
722.4. All objects in the main game and all cards outside the main game are considered outside the subgame (except those specifically brought into the subgame).
Therefore I conclude: Cards you play in the subgame that have the ability to pull a card from outside the game, since the game is casual by definition due to Shaharazad's individual card rules, can pull any card outside the subgame, including but not limited to the cards in the main game and the main game sideboard, that you own.
722.5. At the end of a subgame, each player takes all cards they own that are in the subgame other than those in the subgame command zone, puts them into their main-game library, then shuffles them.
So, cards you wished for will end up in your main-game library.
November 12, 2021 noon Edited.
sergiodelrio says... #3
Small addendum: I want to stress that, when playing a game with Shaharazad, the concept of 'Sideboard' gets hypothetical by the definition of a casual environment. Sideboards, in a rules sense, imply tournament play. Shaharazad, by definition, implies non-tournament, hence casual play. There, sure, you can choose to play with a sideboard, or narrow the definition of cards that are outside the game, but that's where official rules end and house rules start.
By making Shaharazad casual by nature the question you asked gets dodged by Wizards.
Yesterday says... #1
To correct and clarify on the second-last part: Once you finish the subgame, do *the cards you're wished into the subgame get shuffled into your library in the main game along with everything else from the subgame?
Sorry, my phone makes formatting and especially checking the comprehensive rules rather difficult.
November 12, 2021 11:51 a.m.