When does Fungus Sliver get it's +1/+1 counters?
Asked by Kace 14 years ago
I attacked into my opponent's Fungus Sliver with, I think Goblin Wardriver with Claws of Valakut + 3 Mountain out making it a 5/2 First-striker.
He claimed that after my 5 points of fs damage was dealt, his sliver got +1/+1, thus surviving and becoming a 3/3.
This seems completely wrong to me. Either The counter is during combat damage being dealt (which it shouldn't be) in which case the 5 first strike points would would kill it, or the counter is after combat damage being dealt in which case the creature is dead and the ability wouldn't trigger. Right?
How does play out?
Your right
To Fungus Sliver get the counters it would need to take the damage first.
If you notice the Sliver ability it states "(the damage is dealt before the counter is put on.)", this says it all, no damage no counters, and 5 first-strike damage is bye-bye to the sliver
March 16, 2011 1:09 a.m.
Ok thank you for the responses.
To clarify for future reference then, even if I hit Fungus Sliver with, say, Shock , or if it just blocks any 2-power creature it would die before the counter resolves?
March 16, 2011 1:24 a.m.
KrazyCaley says... #4
Correct. The ability is triggered, so it uses the stack, but being destroyed because of damage is a state-based effect, which essentially means that it is "faster" than the triggered ability.
cnielsen05 says... Accepted answer #1
The Fungus Sliver has a triggered ability, so when the damage is dealt during the combat damage step, the ability will go onto the stack and if the creature were to survive it would get the +1/+1 counter after combat damage is dealt, during the combat damage step.
In the example stated however, the Fungus Sliver would be destroyed before its ability would resolve.
It should be noted that when you deal 5 damage to a creature, that 5 damage is marked on the creature until the cleanup step. Because of this, even if the toughness of the creature were to suddenly change from 2 to 3 it will still be destroyed anyway because the 5 damage marked on it still exceeds its toughness.
March 16, 2011 1:06 a.m.