When does a miracle trigger go on the stack when drawing multiple cards?
Asked by meecht 12 years ago
Assuming I've drawn no other cards this turn, let's say I cast card:Blue Sun's Zenith for x=10 on my opponent's turn, and the first card I draw is Devastation Tide . I reveal it to my opponent to prove it was the first card.
Do I decide at that point to pay the miracle cost, or do I wait until after I've drawn the remaining 9 cards to do so?
I'm assuming the latter because Blue Sun finishes resolving after I've drawn my cards and shuffled it back into my library.
Bobgalarneau says... #2
i would say you have to cast it, as the reminder text say on Devastation Tide , when you draw it.
February 15, 2013 1 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #3
An ability that triggers is put onto the stack the next time a player would receive priority. The replacement effect part of Miracle lets you reveal it as you draw it, and the triggered ability part of Miracle triggers at that time. The trigger isn't put onto the stack until card:Blue Sun's Zenith is completely finished resolving.
February 15, 2013 1:10 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
@Bobgalarneau: That is incorrect.
Miracle represents both a triggered ability and an activated cost. When you draw a miracle card, if it is the first card you drew in the current turn, you may reveal it immediately (before doing anything else and before the card goes into your hand) and announce that you are going to put the miracle ability onto the stack. If the draw was part of the resolution of a spell or ability, you finish resolving that spell or ability before putting the miracle ability onto the stack. The miracle card must remain revealed throughout this process.
When the miracle ability resolves, you are given the option to cast the miracle spell for its miracle cost.
February 15, 2013 1:11 p.m.
Bobgalarneau says... #5
@Epochalyptik so the miracle ability goes on the stack only after the current spell has finished to resolve. what would happen if you chose not to cast it for it's miracle cost? the revealed card simply goes back to your hand? if i get it, when you draw a miracle, you may reveal it if it's the first card drawn, then you may chose to cast it for it's miracle cost if you revealed it.
the real question would be : ''when do i have to chose if i will cast the miracle?''
February 15, 2013 1:58 p.m.
You would reveal the card, draw the rest of the cards, then decide whether or not to pay the miracle cost.
Once the stack starts resolving, you can't add things to it until it's empty. In this scenario, the miracle trigger essentially starts a new stack that's independent of the one containing Blue Sun's Zenith.
I was originally asking the question because I have a deck that uses Otherworld Atlas and Reforge the Soul . I was wondering if Reforge the Soul would cause everybody to discard all the cards drawn with Otherworld Atlas, but I was using a more likely scenario. Now I know that I could make everybody draw 20 cards, then force a table-wide discard and a re-draw of 7 more.
February 15, 2013 3:26 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #7
@Bobgalarneau: You make the choice about whether or not to cast the spell for its Miracle cost when the triggered ability (the one that triggers when you reveal the card) resolves.
Also, the card doesn't "go back" to your hand if you choose not to cast it. It was always in your hand, just temporarily revealed. The card stays in your hand and goes back to being hidden.
February 15, 2013 4:40 p.m.
Bobgalarneau says... #8
In that scenario where you are drawing many cards, can you reveal the miracle that you drawed first, finish drawing those cards and then choose not to cast the miracle?
I feel it would not make sense but if you guys say so...
February 15, 2013 5:12 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #9
That's how it has to play out. As has been explained above, the replacement effect part of Miracle is applied at the time you draw the card (if it's the first card you draw in a turn, you may reveal it as you draw it). The triggered ability part of Miracle triggers when you reveal it (when the card is revealed this way, you may cast it for its Miracle cost), but the triggered ability isn't put onto the stack until the next time a player would get priority, which is after Zenith is totally finished resolving.
So you cast Zenith, reveal the Miracle as your first drawn card, finish drawing all the other cards, and shuffle Zenith back in. If no one has any responses to the Miracle trigger, it resolves, and you make the choice about whether or not to cast the spell.
Note that the initial reveal is optional, so if you already know when you draw it that you don't plan on casting it for the Miracle cost, you don't have to reveal it (and your opponent won't know you have it).
drakanar says... Accepted answer #1
The miracle trigger would trigger when you draw the card. However, as nothing can happen (including things being put onto the stack) during resolution, you will put the trigger onto the stack after resolution of card:Blue Sun's Zenith.
February 15, 2013 12:59 p.m.