Varolz, the Scar-Striped question
Asked by harrydemon117 11 years ago
Let's say I have a Ghoultree in the graveyard and a Varolz, the Scar-Striped on the battlefield with 5 other creatures in the graveyard.
I can then scavenge Ghoultree for 1G and place 10 +1/+1 counters onto target creature yes?
Darkness1835 says... Accepted answer #2
No. Having creatures in the graveyard reduces the casting cost, but the converted mana cost. You would still have to pay 8, regardless of how many creatures are in your graveyard. seevers35 is slightly off about Ghoultree 's ability not being active in the grave, however. It still applies. For example, if you have Havengul Lich in play, and 5 creatures in the graveyard, you may then cast Ghoultree from your grave for 2G (as well as the 1 to active the Lich's ability). However, the CMC of the tree will still always be 8. It's ability reduces the casting cost, not the CMC.
June 25, 2013 10:32 a.m.
Absinthman says... #3
The answer is no. Ghoultree 's ability only says, that it costs 1 less to CAST. Casting is taking a spell card from a zone you are allowed to cast it from, putting it onto the stack and paying its cost. Scavenge is an ability that has nothing to do with casting. If a card would give you an option to cast a creature card from your graveyard, it would be cheaper according to the number of creature cards in your graveyard. It doesn't work for scavenge though.
June 25, 2013 10:32 a.m.
Absinthman says... #4
@Darkness1835: Actually, CMC is not relevant at all in this situation. Varolz, the Scar-Striped doesn't care about CMC. It cares about the mana cost (which includes colored mana).
June 25, 2013 10:35 a.m.
Darkness1835 says... #5
It's not relevant to Varolz, but it's certainly relevant to the ruling which prevents harrydemon117 from doing what he's trying to do. I'm simply explaining Ghoultree 's ability, and it's limitations. Substitute CMC for MC in my comment. Nothing I said was incorrect though.
June 25, 2013 10:39 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #6
It's converted mana cost, is always it's actual converted mana cost, alteratiions to the amount you must pay to cast (which would normally be the CMC) do not count, when asked to look at a cards CMC.
June 25, 2013 12:12 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #7
replace converted with "----".
Jeeze everybody is doing it
June 25, 2013 12:13 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #8
let me see if I get this right: If a card says "cost x less to 'CAST'..." it only affects the PRICE you pay to cast it but not when checking CMC (so cards like Abrupt Decay cannot kill it even if you have 5 creatures in the graveyard)?
seevers35 says... #1
No. Ghoultree's "mana cost" is 7G and will need to be paided in order for you to scavenge it via Varolz.
I am not sure exactly why, but Ghoultree's ability is not in effect if Ghoultree is in the graveyard.
I could be wrong on this and you will need someone else for comfirmation.
June 25, 2013 10:23 a.m.