Tidespout Tyrant + Mulldrifter
Asked by daveschreiner 13 years ago
I must be bad at google today. with tidespout tyrant in play (such as in edh), can I evoke mulldrifter, put the mulldrifter's sac trigger on the stack, then put the tyrant's bounce trigger on the stack targeting mulldrifter, and thus use evoked mulldrifter to bounce itself and have a divination every turn?
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2
No. You evoke Mulldrifter. Evoke is an ability that allows you to pay an alternate casting cost for the evoked spell. When you cast Mulldrifter for its evoke cost, Tidespout Tyrant's ability triggers. You put this ability on the stack and then name a target for it. Mulldrifter is still a creature spell and not a creature, so it is not a legal target for Tidespout Tyrant's ability. Whatever you target with Tyrant will get bounced, then Mulldrifter will resolve and ETB, then Mulldrifter's sacrifice ability will go onto the stack.
February 17, 2012 11:26 a.m.
hunter9000 says... #3
No, because Tidespout's trigger is when you play a spell, which will have to resolve before Mulldrifter resolves and becomes a permanent. You need something that can bounce it at instant speed, or that triggers when something etb to return Mulldrifter to your hand after evoking it.
February 17, 2012 11:27 a.m.
cryptichorror says... #4
Don't see it working that way. Tidespout Tyrant would trigger as soon as you cast Mulldrifter, but before he hits the battlefield. I'm pretty sure, and I could be wrong, that you would have to return a permanent to its owner's hand before Mulldrifter was in the battlefield. Since he isn't in the battlefield, he isn't a permanent, and hence, he can't be bounced.
February 17, 2012 11:29 a.m.
OmegaSerris says... #5
You could pull it off if you use a third creature with Flash (Zealous Guardian perhaps?).
- Play Zealous Guardian (bouncing anything else with Tyrant)
- Evoke Mulldrifter
- Put Tidespout Tyrant's trigger on the stack, targeting the Guardian
- Play Zealous Guardian in response to Mulldrifter's sacrifice trigger
- Put the Tyrant's trigger on the stack, targeting Mulldrifter
- Repeat next turn, skipping step one obviously
February 17, 2012 1:50 p.m.
daveschreiner says... #6
thanks everyone. makes sense to add something like Zealous Guardian though. I like 4 mana for a free bounce effect and two cards every turn.
February 17, 2012 4:56 p.m.
You could use Words of Wind; convert one of your draws into saving your Mulldrifter.
cryptichorror says... #1
Tidespout Tyrant
and Mulldrifter
February 17, 2012 11:25 a.m.