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Asked by LikeMike 13 years ago
Say I have a Deadeye Navigator in play soulbonded to a Snapcaster Mage. My opponent casts Incinerate targeting my Deadeye Navigator. If I flicker Deadeye in response, will Incinerate fizzle or would Incinerate remain on the stack until Deadeye Navigator returns to the battlefield?
I think Incinerate will fizzle.
Ohthenoises says... #2
Incinerate will remain on the stack until Deadeye Navigator returns and its soulbind is resolved but it will be a new object and the target of Incinerate will no longer be there.
Whenever a permanent leaves the battlefield it loses all previous knowledge of its existence before. When it returns it will be a new permanent again and you will have to rebind to your Snapcaster Mage (if desired) which will go on the stack above the Incinerate. Once everything resolves the original target of Incinerate does not exist so it will be countered due to invalid targets. Hope this helps.
May 5, 2012 12:26 p.m.
It will fizzle on resolution.
Incinerate will be on the bottom of the stack, Deadeye Navigator's ability will be place on top of it.
Stack resolves from top to bottom.
1- Deadeye Navigator's ability will resolve before Incinerate. Deadeye Navigator is now considered a new object.
2- Incinerate will try to resolve. Deadeye Navigator is on the field, but since it is considered a new object, it is not the same target that your opponent chose when he cast Incinerate. Then Incinerate will be countered on resolution for having no legal target.
May 5, 2012 12:27 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #4
Deadeye Navigator's ability will resolve first, and since it moved zones, it is now a new permanent. Incinerate is still on the stack, but since the target it once had no longer exists, it will simply resolve and do nothing but go to the graveyard.
"400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence."
May 5, 2012 2:20 p.m.
GoblinsInc says... #5
@broken. technically it is countered when it tries to resolve. This mainly matters for spells that also have things like "Draw a card" tagged on. if all the targets are illegal, the spell gets countered on resolution and you get none of the effects.
Sorry, nitpicking this morning
May 5, 2012 2:23 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #6
I hate to nitpick as well but no one else has mentioned that he has to make the choice to pair it again and that goes on the stack on top of the incinerate before it resolves. Doesn't change the end result but forgetting that could mean that the player misses his only chance to repair with the snappy.
May 5, 2012 2:33 p.m.
wtf is "soulbind"?
It's Soulbond.
SOULBOND.
WITH AN "O".
May 5, 2012 4:49 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #8
I was talking about the process of using the soulbond ability so I was using the proper tense.
May 5, 2012 4:52 p.m.
=D o i c
I'm just tired of everyone calling it "Soulbound", "Soulbind", and "Soulband".
May 5, 2012 4:58 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #11
Yea, I was confused for a moment as to why you were correcting me because I know that you are very particular about grammar. I thought you were trolling for half a second haha.
May 5, 2012 5:01 p.m.
metalmagic says... #12
The reason I didn't mention the navigator's trigger is because it is irrelevant to answering the question, lol. Too much info is sometimes just as bad if not worse than too little.
May 6, 2012 1:11 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #13
I can appreciate that. Personally I like to have the whole situation played out so I don't miss something. That and I was just toying with everybody :P
metalmagic says... #1
Incinerate
WILL remain on the stack until Deadeye Navigator
returns to the battlefield, but it will still fizzle anyway. When the Navigator reenters the battlefield, it has no memory of anything targeting/affecting it previously, or anything it was affecting, and is considered a new permanent. This means Incinerate
's target is no logner legal and will be countered upon resolution.
It stays on the stack until after he returns because returning to the battlefield is part of his effect, and everything that his effect says happens will do so as it resolves, meaning the Incinerate
is patiently waiting its turn.
May 5, 2012 12:23 p.m.