Scion + Atarka + Firebreathing???
Asked by beingstalked 8 years ago
Hi first time on here asking questions forgive me if i mess it up. I wanted to know if i turn Scion of the Ur-Dragon into Atarka, World Render before combat swing with him thus gaining double strike. Then in the combat damage step before damage applies can i turn him into Moltensteel Dragon and still keep the double strike effect and use firebreathing
beingstalked says... #2
Okay, update to the question I stack the ability in a different order pay 4 use the ability twice first turn it into Moltensteel Dragon activate firebreathing for +X +0 till end of turn in response to the second trigger, then let the second trigger go off and turn him into Atarka, World Render Before combat will he retain the +x +o or lose it?
January 30, 2016 6:37 p.m.
I would be inclined to say Scion the Ur dragon would keep the +x/+0 in that case, but I may be wrong.
P/T modifiers affect a creature regardless of it's base P/T, so firebreathing for +x/+0 should stay on the creature after it becomes Atarka, World Render. The reason this still may not workwould be because of the specific "Moltensteel Dragon gets..." clause would then remove the +x/+0 when Scion ceases to be a copy of Moltensteel.
I leave this to the higher authority.
January 30, 2016 7:13 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #4
Whenever a card mentions itself in its text, like Moltensteel Dragon for example, it's actually just saying "this card". So if an effect copies the ability onto another creature, the ability still works because it's defined as "this card" gets +X/+0, regardless of if it's named Moltensteel Dragon or not. The +X/+0 will remain after the Ur-Dragon copies Atarka.
January 30, 2016 7:37 p.m.
In short: Yes, the second version works, but you're probably better off just turning Scion into a Dragon Tyrant in the first place.
January 30, 2016 9:47 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #6
Moltensteel Dragon's fire breathing ability can be paid with 2 life instead of 
mana, making it more efficient than Dragon Tyrant.
January 30, 2016 9:50 p.m.
I think sonnet666 meant "So you don't need to mess around with doing it all pre-combat and not as a combat trick" because Atarka needs you to have it be an Atarka in the declare attackers step, when Dragon Tyrant lets you spring it in response to blockers.
Dracoson says... #1
No, this doesn't work. Couple of reasons. Principally, if you have Scion of the Ur-Dragon become the copy of something, it doesn't retain it's ability to copy until it stops being a copy (end of turn). Second (and this is more of a technical nitpick here), combat damage happens as a turn based action at the start of the combat damage step. The last chance you have to activate abilities/cast spells before any damage is done would be during the declare blockers step.
January 30, 2016 6:20 p.m.