Reverberate + Fury of the horde rulling
Asked by Dadouuxx 8 years ago
Hi, i do want to know if Reverberate will work with Fury of the Horde and give me two more combat step or not?
I'm not quite sure if they might " resolve in the same next main phase " or not?
Thx a lot :)
Based on the Rulings on Gatherer for Fury of the Horde which has no ruling related to this, I would assume that if you manage to resolve two copies of it in the same stack then it does manage to create 2 additional combat phases and 2 additional main phases, although I would wait for another person to comment (Someone like Rhadamanthus or Epochalyptik) before accepting this as an answer as I may be wrong.
March 17, 2016 5:34 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #3
When the 2 Fury of the Hordes resolve, your creatures will untap twice in that current main phase. Then there will be 2 combat phases back-to-back, followed by 2 additional main phases back-to-back.
In the 2nd combat phase your creatures will be untapped and ready to go. When the 3rd rolls up, they will remain tapped because the untap effect from both Fury of the Hordes have already happened.
Note that if they have vigilance or you have a way to untap them, they can certainly attack in the 3rd combat phase.
March 17, 2016 7 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #4
Or it'll be a combat phase followed by a main phase followed by another combat phase and then another main phase. The sequence doesn't really matter, the important thing here is that your creatures will remain tapped when the 3rd combat phase arrives. (Unless vigilance or alternate untap method)
March 17, 2016 7:04 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #5
You get the extra phases. Let's look at it step by step.
You're in your post-combat main phase, and the rest of your turn currently looks like "Post-Combat Main, End". You cast Fury of the Horde, then cast Reverberate. The copy created by Reverberate will resolve first, so your creatures untap and your turn now looks like "PC Main, Combat 2, PC Main 2, End". The original Fury will then resolve, so your creatures untap again (this will likely accomplish nothing) and your turn now looks like "PC Main, Combat 3, PC Main 3, Combat 2, PC Main 2, End". That numbering isn't a mistake. The newest set of extra phases will get inserted directly after the current phase.
March 17, 2016 7:53 p.m.
Confirming what Rhadamanthus said. You do in fact get two extra, and the order is combat, main, combat, main. The sequence does matter, and your creatures won't untap between the second and third combats.
March 17, 2016 11:32 p.m.
VaraSatoshiOfficial says... #7
Because you copy the spell, you never actually pay the cost, so you're not required to do anything cost-wise. With the whole phase thing, (okay, try to stay with me because sometimes even I lose myself with my paragraphs of rules) When the first one is set on the stack, and you cast reverberate, assuming it's during the main phase, (hopefully) we're going to be resolving all of these during our main phase, and the same one, so what happens, is that, the reverberate resolves, putting a copy onto the stack, the first one on the stack resolves, making another combat and another main phase right after this one. Then, the second one on the stack resolves, declaring that it's new phase created goes right after this current main phase, so the combat and main generated by the first to resolve would be bumped down on priorities, because now that the spell has resolved, the phases are now normal phases, and not card text, so they can be minipulated. So those two phases are bumped back and our second resolution creates another combat phase after this main phase, and then yet another main phase after this one, so this turn would play out like this:Untap,Upkeep,Draw,Precombat Main,Declare Attackers,Declare Blockers,First Strike Damage,Damage,Postcombat Main,(repeat from declare attackers onward two more times)discard,cleanup,end step.
March 18, 2016 12:20 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #8
This is just the rule advisor side of me being nit picky...
There's also a "beginning of combat step", there's no "first combat damage step" unless a creature with first/double strike is involved in combat, there's also a "end of combat step", the end phase is comprised of the "end step" and the "cleanup" step, discarding is included in the cleanup step.
Also worth noting that if these spells are performed outside of a main phase, perhaps if you have flash from Vedalken Orrery, every effect that Fury of the Horde would produce would be nullified except for untapping the creatures.
March 18, 2016 12:41 a.m.
VaraSatoshiOfficial says... #9
Raging_Squiggle is correct, I wasn't 100% accurate on the exact order of the turn, but the point was that it goes main, combat, main, combat, main, combat, main. Thank you for correcting my error, I will use it to be better acquainted with the rules of the game.
Blackblade says... #1
There would only be one additional combat and main phase even after casting Reverberate at Fury of the Horde because 'this' is a reference to the current main phase in which it was cast.
March 17, 2016 5:30 p.m.