question about Teferi's veil phasing and creature control cards such as slave of bolas
Asked by blackstarquin 13 years ago
Do creatures that i take control of through slave of bolas that phase out because of teferi's veil return to their owner's side or stay on my side until the next end phase and get sacrificed?
That's really cool, KorApprentice - would that work for cards like Traitorous Blood as well, or would it phase back in under the opponent's control?
November 4, 2011 5:49 a.m.
KorApprentice says... #3
Any permanent that phases out under your control, before the end step, will not exist when delayed triggers go off and therefore not be returned to your opponents control. Then, because it phased out under your control, it will phase in under your control. Seems like a nice combo considering anything that says 'until end of turn', like Act of Treason , will only trigger once at your end step.
November 4, 2011 9:57 a.m.
mozerdozer says... #4
A permanent with phasing is still the same permanent. A creature under control until end of turn will still recognize that the turn ended when it returns because that is a game-state condition written on the creature for its control layer. Hence a temporary control spell will not steal it and it will phase back in under the opponent's control at the end of their untap step.
Slave of Bolas only works because you gain control of the target creature forever.
Also phasing is not a triggered ability and cannot be responded to.
November 4, 2011 10:27 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
mozerdozer is correct on that point. Continuous effects that wear off at a certain time will still wear off, so an Act of Treason can't permanently steal in this way, and a Giant Growth won't still be pumping the creature when it phases back in. Here's the rules support for it:
702.24e Continuous effects that affect a phased-out permanent may expire while that permanent is phased out. If so, they will no longer affect that permanent once it's phased in. In particular, effects with "for as long as" durations that track that permanent (see rule 611.2b) end when that permanent phases out because they can no longer see it.
November 4, 2011 10:55 a.m.
KorApprentice says... #6
Ah, my mistake there, I did not read the entire section on phasing. However, it does still work with Slave of Bolas . So maybe not the best deck idea
KorApprentice says... Accepted answer #1
This is actually a very interesting interaction, as you would actually gain control of their creature permanently at your next untap step. Here's why. Slave of Bolas creates a delayed trigger (it's oracle text now states "at the beginning of the next end step") that will trigger at the end of turn only once and no longer trigger. card:Teferi's Veil makes the creature phase out under your control. This is important because of the ruling of phasing. From the MTG Comprehensive Rulebook:
702.24a Phasing is a static ability that modifies the rules of the untap step. During each players untap step, before the active player untaps his or her permanents, all phased-in permanents with phasing that player controls phase out. Simultaneously, all phased-out permanents that had phased out under that players control phase in.
Basically, phasing events trigger during the untap step, not the end of turn. So, at your next untap step SBA's would check, "Did a creature phase out under your control?" and find that it did indeed, and return it to the battlefield under your control. Slave of Bolas 's delayed trigger already triggered last end step and had no target. But it still triggered, so it will not trigger again. Have fun with your new permanent creature.
November 4, 2011 12:59 a.m.