PCs accumulate on Creatures themselves or Cards?
Asked by Bland_Boy 13 years ago
It says it "becomes" a creature 4/4 rhino or whatever, then at the end of turn, it goes back to being whatever it was before it changed.
My question is, do the poison counters accumulate on the creature (which will be gone at the end of the turn) or the create-card itself?
Before an answer to this, my bro and I have been playing it like this: Rhino/or Plant creature gets poison counters, when changes back to regular type/or whatever, no poison counters, cause they existed on that other creature which is no longer there.
That was my logic on it, but it could be faulty. I'm unsure if I've been playing it wrong.
Appologies, renamed title of question just before posting. Referring to Skinshifter and his ability to become another creature. The wording of Infect leads me to believe that the -1/-1's are being done to the creature and not the card itself(Skinshifter ).
Which would make this card genius defense against infect-creatures.
But I'm still unsure, as I'm a noob to Magic.
August 2, 2011 2:57 p.m.
To clarify your example, let's say I have Chimeric Mass on the battlefield with 4 charge counters. When he is a creature, he is dealt 2 infect damage. Then, 2 -1/-1 counters are placed on Chimeric Mass . At the end of the turn, it becomes an artifact again, but retains the -1/-1 counters, and would be a 2/2 artifact creature the next time it is animated.
August 2, 2011 3 p.m.
Ok, so regardless if it's a different creature at the end of turn, counters remain which would probably kill Skinshifter . :-(
I am is disappoint.
August 2, 2011 3:01 p.m.
Regardless of whatever effects are making him be something else, Skinshifter is still Skinshifter . He doesn't become a totally different creature (which would be a separate object in the game, if you wanna get a little technical), it's just some of the values printed on the card change until the end of the turn.
Think about it in real life (slash magic fantasy) terms. Your creature dripping with poison has just fought this guy who keeps changing shape. No matter what shape he is though, he's still the same guy, and when he stops changing his skin the poison in his body will still be there.
August 2, 2011 3:06 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
The thing that may be confusing you: Skinshifter becomes whatever creature you tell it to. It is the same permanent, but an effect has modified certain elements of it. The infect damage is dealt to Skinshifter as a creature, and the approrpiate number of counters are put on it as a result.
At the end of each turn, Skinshifter returns to being a 1/1 Human Shaman. It does not suddenly change and become a different creature - it simply loses the effect and whatever modifications that effect had on it (like casting Turn to Frog . The target creature will still be the same permanent, just modified).
mafteechr says... Accepted answer #1
First, when a permanent is dealt infect damage, it is marked by -1/-1 counters, not poison counters.
Second, counters remain on a permanent until a spell or ability removes them, or until the permanent changes zones (is exiled, goes to the graveyard, returned to hand, etc.).
August 2, 2011 2:56 p.m.