Oblivion Ring and Curses
Asked by ZaLiTHkA 13 years ago
I had a random thought just now, but I'm not entirely sure if it will play out like I imagine...
So just out of curiosity, if my opponent Curses me with something like Curse of Bloodletting, then I exile it using Oblivion Ring and then remove my O-ring from the battlefield (by destroy or return to hand). By the "...return the exiled card to the battlefield under it's owner's control" section of the card, I imagine that would cause the curse to become attached to my opponent, not so?
If so, then I think I may have just found a rather fun way to deal with Aura Curses. :)
I think it just returns like a normal enchantment aura and targets nothing then gets dropped to the grave by sba
April 10, 2012 6:05 p.m.
Not disagreeing but if an aura drops back I thought it wouldn't target bcuz it wasnt cast
April 10, 2012 6:07 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
@ shift: I think you're misunderstanding how auras work.
When the object an aura is enchanting changes zones, then the aura is attached to nothing and is put into its owner's yard as a state-based action. When an aura enters the battlefield by a means other than being cast as a spell, its controller chooses a legal object for it to enchant and the aura enters attached to that object. This process does not target; auras only target as spells on the stack.
April 10, 2012 6:08 p.m.
Thats right and that was how a venser combo worked I should have remembered that
April 10, 2012 6:14 p.m.
I do realise it's controller and the 'cursed player' are separate, which is the first reason I thought Oblivion Ring's return ability may return it attached to it's owner (i.e., my opponent).
Although Aura's in general do need a valid target, Curses don't target creatures, they don't require any other permanents on the battlefield in order to be valid, which was the second reason I thought this may work.
So just to confirm, the end result would send the Curse to it's owner's graveyard then?
Oh well, that's a pity.. Would've been fun to give Curses back to the player who originally cast them. :) Guess I'll have to stick to destroying them until I find a more entertaining way to take care of them then. Currently Witchbane Orb and Paraselene seem to do the job pretty well.
April 10, 2012 6:17 p.m.
CharonSquared says... #7
No, the end result is that the curse's owner chooses a target for the curse when it re-enters the battlefield. They can choose you or themselves. To quote Epo: "When an aura enters the battlefield by a means other than being cast as a spell, its controller chooses a legal object for it to enchant and the aura enters attached to that object."
April 10, 2012 6:24 p.m.
Oh right, I misunderstood that part slightly...
Well, thanks for the replies. Wasn't really too sure if it would work, but it was definitely worth checking just in case. :)
April 10, 2012 6:33 p.m.
GoblinsInc says... #9
When the curse re-enters the field, the controller chooses what it will enchant. It does not target.
When you cast an Aura (curse or otherwise) then it targets
April 10, 2012 6:38 p.m.
Kulminator says... #10
"When an aura enters the battlefield by a means other than being cast as a spell, its controller chooses a legal object for it to enchant and the aura enters attached to that object. This process does not target; auras only target as spells on the stack."
@Epochalyptik does this mean something like Oblivion Ringing your own Curse when someone plays Witchbane Orb could allow you to re-attach it to them regardless of the "hexproof" from the Orb?
April 12, 2012 2:50 a.m.
GoblinsInc says... #11
Yes. If you exile and Aura, and then return it to the field (and are not casting the curse) then as it enters you can choose what it enchants. This won't target, so shroud/hexproof won't protect from it
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
No. The controller of a curse and the player to whom it is attached are separate. The controller of the curse will choose what legal object it enchants when it returns to the battlefield.
In order for it to reenter attached to your opponent, you would have to have control of the curse or the effect returning it would have to say "return X to the battlefield attached to its controller."
April 10, 2012 6:04 p.m.