Melek Izzet Paragon's top Deck casting question
Asked by skillfulabbot 11 years ago
Can you cast an instant revealed on the top of your deck during an opponent's turn and again on your turn during upkeep before draw step?
Epochalyptik says... #2
@Xindlepete: That's slightly misleading. It's important to remember that you are actually casting the card from your library, so effects like fuse, which specifically deal with spells cast from your hand, won't work with spells cast using Melek, Izzet Paragon 's static abilities. Other than that, you are correct. The instant will be moved from your library to the stack, and then to (in most cases) your graveyard.
May 13, 2013 3:53 a.m.
Xindlepete says... #3
True. There's ALWAYS an exception isn't there? :P Thanks Epochalyptik for filling in the rest. Wise and all-knowing (Rank) one! :D
May 13, 2013 4:03 a.m.
t3hSn0wm4n says... #4
epock i would have to correct you on this one.... a judge at FNM this past week told us in my game that in fact both halves can be fused when casting using Melek, Izzet Paragon . ran into this very issue. i topdecked a Turn / Burn and used it and the fuse ability against not one but 2 Boros Reckoner s that my opponent had been harassing the **** out of me with. when i copied it and used the copy of the spell (with fuse) judge ruled that that was in fact doable... just that the copy doesnt trigger an ability like Guttersnipe when cast...
May 13, 2013 4:48 a.m.
Xindlepete says... #5
@t3hSn0wm4n: Really? I can't imagine that is the case, since every Fuse card specifically states "You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand." I'm fairly certain that in any other zone you may only cast one half of a fuse card.
May 13, 2013 4:53 a.m.
@t3hSn0wm4n: Yeah, in this case the judge made a bad call. From the Comprehensive Rules:
702.100a Fuse is a static ability found on some split cards (see rule 708, Split Cards) that applies while the card with fuse is in a players hand. If a player casts a split card with fuse from his or her hand, the player may choose to cast both halves of that split card. This choice is made before putting the split card with fuse onto the stack. The resulting spell is a fused split spell.
Additionally, the Dragon's Maze FAQ for Melek explicitly states that the top card of your library isn't in your hand, so you wouldn't be able to Fuse a DGM split card.
May 13, 2013 5:36 a.m.
t3hSn0wm4n says... #7
wow i had no idea.... ive been being told since i started playing that judges made calls based solely on rules. I had no idea that they were more like referees at ball games with the ability to maake their own calls. i will definitely keep that in mind before accepting what they say as utter law from here on out.... lol
May 13, 2013 5:55 a.m.
Xindlepete says... #8
@zephyrkey thanks for the back-up bud. :)
@t3hSn0wm4n No biggie. That's part of the reason that TappedOut and similar MTG sites exist- for groups of players to share their knowledge with each other. Though you should consider passing this knowledge on to your local judge - politely of course. This kind of thing may seem small, but it's astounding how often a match can hinge on a judge's ruling.
This has been TappedOut Forums on: The More You Know! XD
May 13, 2013 6:03 a.m.
t3hSn0wm4n says... #9
will definitely do that... since i normally carry my transformer prime with me to events it will be easy enough to pull up this thread and show him. :D i appreciate the input... :D
May 13, 2013 6:12 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #10
To be fair, referees for other games also make calls based solely on the rules. However, sometimes they just get them wrong, either because they didn't see an important piece of information or are mis-remembering something. Judges for Magic do the same thing. Also, just like scrub-league officials are more likely to forget or misunderstand certain rules details than Refs at the professional level, shop Judges are much more likely to make mistakes than the L3s and L4s who run professional Magic events.
It doesn't take as much detailed rules knowledge as you might think to pass the L1 Judge test and get certified. That level just needs to know the basics about the things players most often have questions about, as well as the basics of how to properly run a small-sized tournament. Also, a great many store "Judges" aren't actually certified at all, they're just guys who have been playing a while and know a lot about the game and are trusted to be able to get the answers right if people have rules questions.
Xindlepete says... Accepted answer #1
No, because Melek, Izzet Paragon allows you to cast the card revealed just as if you were casting it from your hand. You pay the mana cost, the spell goes on the stack with a copy on top of it on the stack, and then they either resolve or get countered. Then, same as with casting any spell, it goes to the graveyard. (Unless countered by an "exile instead" effect, i.e. Dissipate )
May 13, 2013 3:38 a.m.