Is Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar the source of the damage from the trigger effect?
Asked by DarkAres007 3 years ago
Is Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar the source of the damage from the trigger effect?
Example 1: Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist with lifelink attacked but was not blocked, would you gain 2 or 6 in a 4 player match up.
Example 2: Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist attacked but not blocked and Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar had infect. Would the other 2 players take infect damage?
Example 3: Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist with Sword of Body and Mind attached. Does trigger effects other opponents milling them 10 card and controller gaining 3 wolves?
TIA
kediss specifically says "IT deals damage". so the source is the commander that caused the trigger.
January 1, 2021 1:35 p.m.
DarkAres007 says... #3
Thank you all for answer. That really explains a lot for my play group. We had an hour discussion over it and pretty much all of us were wrong.
Azdranax says... Accepted answer #1
The Kediss trigger is specific to combat damage to an opponent from your commander(s), so if Ardenn and Kediss are your partners, then either or both of them dealing combat damage to an opponent will result in a trigger. The original source of the combat damage is the new source of damage to your other opponents, but that damage is not treated as combat damage, so it does not count as commander damage or trigger combat damage effects.
Specific to your three examples:
Example 1 - Ardenn (commander) with lifelink deals combat damage with Kediss in play, triggering the effect. Ardenn then also deals damage to any other opponents in play. Assuming a pod of 4, each opponent takes two damage (only the player attacked counts as commander damage) and Ardenn allows you to gain 6 life due to lifelink.
Example 2 - Ardenn (commander) deals combat damage with Kediss in play, triggering the effect. Keyword abilities related to Kediss have no effect on Ardenn's damage, as Ardenn is the source, so Kediss having infect has no effect on the damage dealt by Ardenn.
Example 3 - Ardenn (commander) with Sword of Body and Mind equipped deals combat damage with Kediss in play, triggering the effect. As the Kediss damage trigger is not treated as combat damage, the sword will only trigger based on the player Ardenn attacked (sword trigger specifies combat damage), but the damage will still apply to the other opponents. Each opponent is hit for 4 damage, with the player being attacked taking 4 commander damage and milling 10 cards.
Hope this helps you clarify how Kediss's trigger impacts combat damage.
January 1, 2021 11:38 a.m.