Infinite Blink Vendilion Clique
Asked by chosenone124 7 years ago
Suppose I have Palinchron, Deadeye Navigator, and Vendilion Clique on the battlefield, as well as 7 Islands. With this I can generate infinite blue, then shift the link to Vendillion Clique.
Can I say I want to blink Clique 1,000 times, then as a shortcut reorgder my opponent's and my deck, and set up our hands to have a specific set of cards?
Let's assume 75 card decks and 5 card hands for each player.
chosenone124 says... #2
But I am changing the cards in their hand in a meaningful way right? There is no randomness involved in this, and it's a finite controlled infinite loop with a set number of iterations?
April 24, 2017 2:18 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
True to some extent, but the tournament rules are written such as they are to sacrifice some "yes, but" situations in favor of smoother play. You're changing the cards in their hand, but that's all you're doing, and it can't be expedited with a shortcut because the results of each iteration are not predictable. There is randomness: you don't know what each newly drawn card will be.
April 24, 2017 2:25 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
No. Two problems:
- When going through your opponent's deck, there's a lot of unknown information involved in each step. They could have a response to what you're doing at any time so there's no way to shortcut through your actions.
- Regardless of whose deck you're looking through, you probably aren't even going to be able to finish doing it. Unless you've set up a particularly unusual set of circumstances (in which case, the answer to your question is "Call a Judge"), the player's hand is going to fill up with land long before you get through the entire deck. Vendilion Clique will brick and you'll have to stop the loop. Again, how long it takes for this to happen involves a bunch of hidden information. You have to step through it with no shortcuts.
April 24, 2017 2:34 p.m.
On a side note, 1000 times is way too few to rearrange a deck in this manner, even if it were working the way you described. You generally want to pick a number that appears to be way too high in order to not getting screwed over by a false impression.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
No.
If you perform a series of actions multiple times with no advancement in the game state (each player has same number of cards in hand, same creatures on field, etc.), then a judge could issue a warning for slow play. In your case, you're just iteratively cycling the cards in your opponents hand, which doesn't advance the game state.
Your opponent may also be able to perform actions at some point in the loop, which means that you couldn't just shortcut to looking at his or her deck (which you wouldn't get to explicitly do anyway).
April 24, 2017 7:33 a.m.