How would Juniper Order Ranger and Cauldron of Souls combo?
Asked by Makia_skyheart 13 years ago
I was just wondering if there was a Juniper Order Ranger and a Cauldron of Souls along with any number of creatures on my side of the board and my opponent decided to use a board wipe like Day of Judgement. If in response I choose to give all my creatures persist, when they come back into play would they trigger the Juniper Order Ranger's ability or not. My friend believes that since Juniper Order Ranger is not on the battlefield at the time his ability would not trigger for any of the creatures entering the battlefield. If you know the answer could you please direct me to the rule that explains this.
Elmarias says... Accepted answer #1
I apologize for the lengthy post in advance.
When a creature enters the battlefield, it triggers any applicable abilities that say just that "when this creature enters the battlefield.." or "when another creature enters the battlefield..", those abilities are automatically valid now.In the case of multiple creatures entering or exiting the field simultaneously, all of those triggers apply as the creatures in question "see" eachother entering or exiting at the same time. this is why if you have a Soul Warden out and you play Rite of Replication to copy it with the kicker, you dont gain 5 life, but 25. 5 for the original warden seeing the 5 new ones enter, and an additional 4 for each new warden because each one is "seeing" 4 others enter the battlefield.
410.10. Trigger events that involve objects changing zones are called zone-change triggers. Many abilities with zone-change triggers attempt to do something to that object after it changes zones. During resolution, these abilities look for the object in the zone that it moved to. If the object is unable to be found in the zone it went to, the part of the ability attempting to do something to the object will fail to do anything. The ability could be unable to find the object because the object never entered the specified zone, because it left the zone before the ability resolved, or because it is in a zone that is hidden from a player, such as a library or an opponents hand. (This rule applies even if the object leaves the zone and returns again before the ability resolves.) The most common types of zone-change triggers are comes-into-play triggers and leaves-play triggers.410.10a Comes-into-play abilities trigger when a permanent enters the in-play zone. These are written, When [this card] comes into play, . . . or Whenever a [type] comes into play, . . . Each time an event puts one or more permanents into play, all permanents in play (including the newcomers) are checked for any comes-into-play triggers that match the event.410.10b Continuous effects that modify characteristics of a permanent do so the moment the permanent is in play (and not before then). The permanent is never in play with its unmodified characteristics. Continuous effects dont apply before the permanent is in play, however (see rule 410.10e).ExampleIf an effect reads All lands are creatures and a land card is played, the effect makes the land card into a creature the moment it enters play, so it would trigger abilities that trigger when a creature comes into play. Conversely, if an effect reads All creatures lose all abilities and a creature card with a comes-into-play triggered ability enters play, that effect will cause it to lose its abilities the moment it enters play, so the comes-into-play ability wont trigger.
So, to answer your question, Yes, the Juniper Order Ranger 's ability will indeed trigger.Hope this helps. (anyone please add anything i may have missed)
August 13, 2011 8:06 p.m.