How, exactly, does Frenzy Sliver work?
Asked by Kathoran 11 years ago
I have researched this question for some time. Frenzy Sliver gives you frenzy 1, and you can have multiple instantces of frenzy 1. But I was told that like Bushido 1, or flying ect, that it is wasted as it does nothing more for your creatures. Is that true or does each frenzy ability apply? Also, as it reads like exalted, does frenzy trigger from each sliver, and my unblocked slivers get some absurd +X/+0 like exalted would or will they only get +1/+0 ? thanks in advance.
Think of it as adding to each sliver's rules text, the phrase
"If this creature attacks and is not blocked, it gets +1/+0 until end of turn"
If you had more than one Frenzy Sliver in play, each sliver would have multiple instances of Frenzy and each would trigger separately.
So if you had 3 Frenzy Sliver and attacked with one Muscle Sliver which wasn't blocked, that Muscle Sliver would get +3/+0 from its three instances of Frenzy 1
February 26, 2014 7:06 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #3
Frenzy is a triggered ability (starts with "when/whenever/at"). Multiple instances of a triggered ability will trigger separately, and will "stack" up on each other. If a sliver has the ability "Frenzy 1" twice then he'll get a total of +2/+0 whenever he attacks and isn't blocked.
Multiple instances of Bushido do stack up, because Bushido is also a triggered ability, just like Exalted, Flanking, and a few others. Abilities like Flying, Trample, or First Strike don't stack up because they're just static abilities that modify some of the rules for attacking and blocking.
February 26, 2014 10:39 a.m.
Not sure if this should be its own question... but why would frenzy not work like exalted? The bushido ability clearly states that it only affects that creature, example Toshiro Umezawa . But the frenzy and exalted triggers read almost identical; Frenzy: whenever a sliver attacks and isn't blocked, and exalted: whenever a creature attacks alone... cards to compare: Frenzy Sliver Sigiled Paladin . I believe you all on your answers, and I appreciate them; but my group is not seeing the difference between exalted and frenzy.
February 26, 2014 4:40 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
Okay, I think I get what you're asking, but let me know if I'm not. Reminder text (the parenthetical text in italics) is used on some cards to help explain how they work, but it isn't true technical rules text. For the sake of clarity, reminder text takes some shortcuts in the way it describes what's going on. The full technical rules text for Frenzy is:
702.67. Frenzy
702.67a Frenzy is a triggered ability. "Frenzy N" means "Whenever this creature attacks and isn't blocked, it gets +N/+0 until end of turn."
702.67b If a creature has multiple instances of frenzy, each triggers separately.
In your original question when you were talking about multiple instances of Frenzy I thought you were asking about a single creature with the abilities "Frenzy 1, Frenzy 1", but now I think you were actually asking about the way the reminder text could imply a Frenzy ability on one creature affecting another creature. In this case the reminder text on Frenzy Sliver isn't explaining the Frenzy keyword, but rather it's explaining the entire "All Sliver creatures have frenzy 1" ability.
What I meant in my previous answer about abilities stacking up was that a single creature with "Frenzy 1, Frenzy 1" will get a total of +2/+0 when it isn't blocked, a single creature with "Bushido 1, Bushido 1" will get a total of +2/+2 when it blocks or becomes blocked, and a single creature with "Exalted, Exalted" will give a solo-attacker a total of +2/+2.
Boza says... #1
Slivers have several very unique and never-before (and never again) used abilities like absorb. Frenzy is one of them. It is very similar to battlecry, however unlike battlecry giving all other creatures +1/+0, frenzy gives only that creature the bonus.
In other words, the reminder text states: "... it gets +1/0 until end of turn", meaning to bonus applies to the individual slivers only. Sadly, it is not mass exalted.
February 26, 2014 5:59 a.m.