How does Renown works with +1/+1 counters.
Asked by TheGodofNight 8 years ago
Is Renown on Honored Hierarch trigger by it having a counter on itself, or by the actually ability itself. For example, if I attack with Honored Hierarch and Drana, Liberator of Malakir, and Drana does first strike damage, and I put a counter on the Hierarch. If he does damaged, does renown trigger? Or since he has a counter, is he considered renown? Thanks in advance for any help clarifying this.
TheGodofNight says... #2
Thanks ojmandias, that's what I thought the case was, but I wanted to be certain. Thanks for clarifying.
October 4, 2015 2:02 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
The key idea here is that renown is a sort of status that's just true or not true about an object. It's like monstrous (see Fleecemane Lion) in that capacity. The "renown N" ability is what confers the renowned status. The counter is conferred by the same ability, but it is a separate idea. Renown does not look for counters; it looks for the status. Abilities like renown and monstrous just use the counters as a way to help remind players that a permanent may or may not be renowned or monstrous.
October 4, 2015 2:30 p.m.
TheGodofNight says... #4
Thanks Epochalyptik, I figured that was the case, and I was having trouble finding rulings that supported that. Thanks for clarifying in a more detailed manner.
ojmandias says... Accepted answer #1
The ability renowned is completely separate from the +1/+1 counter. It actually has to deal combat damage to become renowned. If for some reason it gets a +1/+1 counter on it. It still has to deal combat damage to a player to become renowned.And conversely, if it becomes renowned and it loses the +1/+1 counter on it, it is still renowned.
October 4, 2015 1:48 p.m.