how do Dissipation Field and Perilous Myr interact?
Asked by Kalani 14 years ago
If my opponent has Dissipation Field and my perilous myr goes to graveyard and deals 2 damage to them, will it return to my hand? or is it no longer considered a permanent?
BrightGreenLine says... #2
More specifically, while it's a permanent of different semantics when it's in different zones, the real distinction is that it's no longer that same object when it moves to the graveyard. One object dealt damage to you when it was sent to the graveyard, but once it enters the graveyard that object ceases to exist and a new one is 'created' in the graveyard. It's a similar distinction to how creatures exiled with Journey to Nowhere behave: It was one object when it was on the battlefield, it became a new object when it was exiled, and when it gets returned it is yet again a new object that has no real relation to what it was in the past.
April 15, 2011 7:23 p.m.
for short, part of what they're saying is that Perilous Myr is only a permanent on the battlefield. Perilous Myr only does its damage when it is sent to the graveyard. therefore nothing on the battlefield has dealt damage but Perilous Myr did its 2 damage in the graveyard. In the graveyard, Perilous Myr is not a permanant. therefore, Perilous Myr does not get returned to the hand.
April 16, 2011 9:05 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
Perilous Myr 's ability doesn't do damage from the graveyard. That kind of triggered ability triggers from the battlefield, meaning the "battlefield version" of the Myr is the one dealing the damage. This may not seem like a distinction worth making, but it actually does matter for effects that care about a card's characteristics and other properties.
For example, suppose a player had taken control of Perilous Myr from someone else, using Mind Control . Because the game uses last-known information about the Myr as it was on the battlefield, the player who had it Mind-Controlled controls the triggered ability and gets to choose targets for it (instead of the player who owns it and whose graveyard it goes to).
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1
It's only a "permanent" while it's on the battlefield. Everywhere else, it's a "permanent card". Also, though the "permanent" version of the Myr did technically deal the damage (the "to graveyard from battlefield" ability actually triggers from the battlefield and uses the Myr's last-known-information as it was on the battlefield for the purposes of knowing where the damage came from), the game treats the card in a graveyard as a different object from the one that used to be on the battlefield, so Dissipation Field doesn't pay any attention to it.
April 15, 2011 5:29 p.m.