Essence of the Wild and Soul of the Harvest
Asked by radhazg 12 years ago
So if I have a Soul of the Harvest out and Essence of the Wild (Soul has become an Essence), then have an effect occur which brings in a token creature, will I be able to draw a card due from Soul's effect due to Essence making the token a Copy of itself instead of being a Token, or is it simply treated as a Token still that happens to be a copy of Essence so no card draw?
blackaddicus says... #2
i think that the token is handled as a token copy of Essence of the Wild so you wouldn't draw a card from Soul of the Harvest
August 21, 2012 12:32 a.m.
Creatures that enter the battlefield as a copy of anything else will always be non-token creatures. Creatures that enter the battlefield as a copy of Essence of the Wild are still non-token creatures; they're just copies.
Otherwise, Clone would become a token when it entered the battlefield.
Is that what you were asking?
August 21, 2012 12:36 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #4
Nothing in the game ever overwrites a token being a token, not even copy effects. If an effect would put a token onto the battlefield while you control Essence of the Wild , you still get a token, but the token is a copy of Essence of the Wild .
Therefore, the token won't trigger Soul of the Harvest 's ability.
August 21, 2012 12:51 a.m.
Phobophile says... #5
it is a token that has all of the same text and colours that Essence of the Wild has.
the token will STILL be a "token", not a "card", and it's converted mana cost will STILL be 0 (as it is a token), aside from these two things everything else about it will be identical to Essence of the Wild .
August 21, 2012 1:06 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
@Phobophile: The second statement is incorrect. Tokens that are copies of cards inherit the original card's mana cost, since mana cost is a copyable value. Therefore, any token copies of Essence of the Wild will have CMC 6.
August 21, 2012 1:08 a.m.
Phobophile says... #7
right. sorry.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
that was retarded of me
radhazg says... #1
Crap no way to fix it. EDIT: (Soul has NOT become an Essence) sorry about that.
August 21, 2012 12:16 a.m.