Do triome lands have color identity
Asked by dinodog 3 years ago
The rule saying that "903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity." And also is not a "Basic Land Type" but a "Land — Swamp Forest Island"
So can I play a jeskai triome land in a boros commander deck since the mana sympols are in reminder text?
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #2
To be clear: rule 903.5d ("A card with a basic land type may be included in a Commander deck only if each color of mana it could produce is included in the commander's color identity") isn't only talking about basic lands. It's talking about any land with a basic type. The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and Forest. Zagoth Triome has the Swamp, Forest, and Island types, meaning it can produce , , and , so it can't be included in a commander deck with a / color identity.
May 22, 2020 9:02 a.m.
dragonstryke58 says... #3
Also, any card with a basic land type (forest, island, mountain, plains, swamp) has the color identity of the mana it produces because they intrinsically have an activated ability to produce that mana even though it may not be in the rules text of the card. It means that any card with the Swamp basic land type is implied to have ": Add ." even if the card doesn't have it in the card's text box.
305.6. The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and Forest. If an object uses the words “basic land type,” it’s referring to one of these subtypes. An object with the land card type and a basic land type has the intrinsic ability “{T}: Add [mana symbol],” even if the text box doesn’t actually contain that text or the object has no text box. For Plains, [mana symbol] is {W}; for Islands, {U}; for Swamps, {B}; for Mountains, {R}; and for Forests, {G}. See rule 107.4a. See also rule 605, “Mana Abilities.”
The older land cards did show the activated ability on the card itself, but currently, since the activated ability is implied, they no longer print them in the text box of the card (full art lands don't even have a text box).
May 22, 2020 1:29 p.m. Edited.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
dragonstryke58: Intrinsic abilities aren't part of a card's text, they're just given to the card by the rules of the game. Lands with basic types don't get a color identity from the symbols in those intrinsic abilities, which is why rule 903.5d is necessary in order to define what decks the lands can and can't be included in.
May 22, 2020 1:42 p.m.
dragonstryke58 says... #5
Huh...is that something recently changed? I remember going on Gatherer to see the oracle texts for basic lands showing those activated abilities not too long ago. I must have been mistaken.
Also, the comprehensive rules I have isn't showing a 903.5d...i guess I gotta update.
May 22, 2020 3:05 p.m. Edited.
The Oracle text on Scryfall for basic lands shows the activated ability as reminder text.
May 22, 2020 3:16 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #7
I don't know if that's a change from earlier rules but it would have had to happen a while ago. The oldest version of the CR I was able to pull up quickly is the Magic: Origins version from July 2015. The color identity rules seem to read the same as the current version and 903.5d is present.
May 22, 2020 3:19 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
dinodog: Correct answers to your question have been up for a while. I marked one as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Please remember to take care of this yourself in the future.
I try to avoid choosing my own response when I do this, but in this case it seemed to be the most complete answer to your question.
Yesterday says... #1
Swamp, Forest, Island, are each basic land types.
May 22, 2020 6:36 a.m.