do pariah and spirit mantle cancel each-other out?
Asked by Mr_crazydude 11 years ago
Here's a specific combo that raised a few questions:
On the field was Stuffy Doll enchanted with Pariah (nothing wrong with this combo).But then my opponent put a Spirit Mantle on it, to protect stuffy doll from creature effects (-2/-2 and creature exile effect for example). But doesn't that make stuffy doll now receive 0 damage from creatures when I attack him?in other words, whenever I attack it makes all creature damage reflect back to Stuffy Doll. Seeing it has protection from creatures, the damage becomes 0 and it reflects 0 damage back to me. Or does prot. from creatures not count if reflected?
GoblinsInc says... #2
Note that protection from creatures does not protect against things like "target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn"
November 29, 2013 11:03 a.m.
No damage would be dealt
702.16e Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent or player with protection is prevented.
November 29, 2013 11:03 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #4
GoblinsInc pointed out something I hadn't thought of. It's not clear from your question whether you understand exactly what "Protection from creatures" does. Having Protection from creatures means:
- All damage dealt by creature sources is prevented
- Creatures can't enchant/equip it (the rules don't allow for this anyway)
- It can't be blocked by creatures
- It can't be targeted by creature spells (no creature spell does this) or by abilities from creature sources (lots of creatures can do this)
It doesn't mean it's protected from effects that say "Target creature..." etc.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1
Stuffy Doll has a triggered ability (starts with "when/whenever/at"), and triggered abilities trigger right after an event happens. Part of protection is an effect that prevents damage from the protected quality. Prevention effects are a special kind of replacement effect (usually has "as/with/instead" somewhere in the description), and replacement effects replace an event as it's happening.
Protection from creatures prevents all damage from creature sources as it's dealt, so there's no damage event for Stuffy Doll to trigger from. It won't trigger off of redirected damage from creatures.
November 29, 2013 11 a.m.