Desertion and suspended card

Asked by deeaytee 7 years ago

I use Jhoira of the Ghitu and cast a card after the last suspend counter is removed. My opponent casts Desertion to counter this. As my card would then enter exile and not the graveyard, can he legally take this for himself as the card explains.

I am pretty certain countered suspended cards go to exile and not the graveyard so his desrtion purely just counters the spell only.

Tyrant-Thanatos says... #1

701.5a To counter a spell or ability means to cancel it, removing it from the stack. It doesnt resolve and none of its effects occur. A countered spell is put into its owners graveyard.

Nothing about suspend specifies any change to the way the card goes through the stack. A suspended card that gets countered goes to the graveyard.

January 29, 2018 3:05 a.m.

sonnet666 says... #2

As to your point of confusion, here are the full rules of suspend:

  • 702.61. Suspend

  • 702.61a Suspend is a keyword that represents three abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with suspend is in a players hand. The second and third are triggered abilities that function in the exile zone. Suspend N[cost] means If you could begin to cast this card by putting it onto the stack from your hand, you may pay [cost] and exile it with N time counters on it. This action doesnt use the stack, and At the beginning of your upkeep, if this card is suspended, remove a time counter from it, and When the last time counter is removed from this card, if its exiled, play it without paying its mana cost if able. If you cant, it remains exiled. If you cast a creature spell this way, it gains haste until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes.

  • 702.61b A card is suspended if its in the exile zone, has suspend, and has a time counter on it.

  • 702.61c While determining if you could begin to cast a card with suspend, take into consideration any effects that would prohibit that card from being cast.

  • 702.61d Casting a spell as an effect of its suspend ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2fh.

There's nothing there about suspended card going to exile when they leave the stack. Maybe you were thinking of Flashback?

January 29, 2018 4:23 p.m.

deeaytee says... #3

I think I was getting confused in that if I am unable to cast the card from suspend e.g no valid targets, then the card goes to exile and not the graveyard. However, if the card is merely countered it does indeed go to the graveyard (and in this case taken from me and used to kill me next turn!)

Thanks

January 29, 2018 5:44 p.m.

Tyrant-Thanatos says... Accepted answer #4

Yeah, so the reason for that is because it doesn't actually go into exile, it's that it never manages to leave exile at all, since it can't be cast from there due to whatever circumstances.

January 29, 2018 5:54 p.m.

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