TMNT sent out at the wrong time?!?!?!
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Jan. 21, 2026, 4:26 p.m. by theNeroTurtle
Let me here what you have to say. LOL
Details here - youtube link.
So funny. So sad. So pathetic.
DarkKiridon says... #3
Sad? Pathetic? Not to me. Funny? Absolutely, and to me some of the cards look pretty sick. That's all I will say about that.
Oh, and I honestly think it was done on purpose considering their "apology" was just.... oops, oh well.
January 21, 2026 4:48 p.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #4
or, the oops oh well shows that they don't really care anymore.
January 21, 2026 5:28 p.m.
I am not going to bother watching your YouTube video, since YouTube is generally a cesspool that is programmed to promote outrage and lies over truth.
So, let us take a step back and deal with a pretty simple reality: There was a mistake with Lorwyn, but that mistake was almost certainly not Wizards fault, and anyone trying to ascribe blame to Wizards or making comments like “they don’t care” is either intentionally being malicious or ignorant of how the card printing industry works.
To help clear things up:
Wizards of the Coast designs cards, but they do not print or package cards. That is outsourced to third parties who own printing companies. Wizards has had a bit of a hard time with this recently - COVID a supply chain issues really, really hurt the printing industry in a way that they are still recovering from. Industry wide issues, combined with historical print issues (Pringled cards, for example), mean Wizards has been having a bit of difficulty finding third parties that can deliver product at their scale, and has been trying out new printing groups. This has resulted in issues between Wizards and third party printers both within Magic an D&D.
Which gets us to Lorwyn. Here, Wizards was not the one who messed up - they sent their information over to the printer/packager, and the printer/packager put the wrong cards in the wrong packs.
By the time the product was delivered to Wizards, it would have already been sealed. From the outside, everything almost certainly looked good to go, and there would be no way for Wizards to know there was a problem unless they cracked open (an thus ruined) a bunch of sealed product.
Now, Wizards almost certainly do this for some of the product, but the issue very well could have flown under the radar with the kind of small random selection typical of this kind of product delivery.
Short story, some other company else messed up on a product that, by its very randomized nature, cannot be fully inspected. The printer are the folks who deserve blame, not Wizards.
January 21, 2026 11:13 p.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #6
Caerwyn, outrage? Okay, brother. If you say so. You know what could solve this problem? Wotc slowing down production and cranking out too many sets in a row. If I am the company, and a third party does a misstep and I don't catch it as the company... it's my fault as the company. I'm not "outraged" as you put it.
I think it is funny, sad, and pathetic.
Why?
Because Hasbro has an annual revenue of over 3 "Billion" dollars. All they need to do to keep these types of things from happening is to slow down the product. Zero rage.
All humor.
January 22, 2026 8:57 a.m.
Also Wizards responded pretty quickly and apologized and Maro said on his blog they're already in contact with effected game stores and plan to do something for the people who signed up for pre releases at those stores. He said it's a special set and he wants people to get the full experience, and he's sorry that people had their pre release messed with.
I think sometimes it's easy to forget that you can always find what you are looking for. So if you are always looking for one thing, you will find it day in and day out. You've made your opinions on WOTC clear, and I think that's what leads you to find content like what Caerwyn mentioned. There's a whole online culture of rage baiting etc - but I found a positive answer to this after less than a minute of googling. No a reprimand, just saying if you look into things for yourself you'll often find better answers.
January 22, 2026 9:04 a.m.
theNeroTurtle - I did not say you were outraged - I said YouTube was an engine of generating outrage. That is something that is established fact, confirmed by multiple independent investigations and whistleblowers. Because angry content produces more views, YouTube an other social media sites adjust their algorithms for promoting angry material as that hits their bottom line. Saying that YouTube is an “outrage engine” is merely a truth based upon these facts; it is not a commentary on you - just the factual basis for my ignoring any YouTube link someone posts. No need to you to be defensive - as basic reading compression would show, you were not being attacked, YouTube was.
As for the rest of your post, I already basically responded to your points in the post you so very clearly did not comprehend.
First, this is an industry wide problem - Wizards is hardly the only entity hit by the global challenges facing the printing industry. This is not a frequency of product problem, but the fact printing companies are facing lots of different threats, making actually getting quality product sometimes difficult.
Second, Wizards clearly does inspect its product - they caught a printing problem with D&D product recently during such an inspection. But, as I already said, and as common sense dictates, you cannot inspect all the product with sealed cards. You can do a random sampling, sure, but based on the number of reports of game stores that were not hit by defective product, this seems to be a pretty small issue in the grand scale of things. Combining a relatively small amount of defective product with the very impossible task of inspection, this is absolutely the kind of defect a company cannot really know about in advance.
Third, Wizards is small fraction of Hasbro as a whole, and one that is mostly focused on game design, not actual product creation. Saying “Hasbro is big, this shouldn’t happen” is kind of silly in a way that betrays a lack of knowledge of how companies work. If companies doing tens of billions in revenue can still have product quality issues, a relatively small subsidiary of a company that does not even make the current Fortune 500 is also going to have some issues sometime.
Wizards had a quality issue - it happens, particularly with printing. They acknowledged the issue right away and are working on plans to try and make up with the community. That is hardly “pathetic” - it is just having something bad happen and dealing with it in the best way you can.
There are lots of times I think Wizards deserves flack, but the only thing “pathetic” I have seen around this issue are the players who are attacking Wizards when (a) this is something that is not really their fault and would have been nearly impossible to control for and (b) Wizards immediately came out the gate with a “we are sorry this happened, we want to make it right, and we’re trying to work on something to do that.”
January 22, 2026 11:22 a.m. Edited.
I don't know if this is addressed in the YouTube link, but why were TMNT cards being printed/collated/whatever at the same time on the same equipment as the Lorwyn Eclipsed cards? Like, were the card files sent to the printers at the same time? Did the TMNT promo pack card file accidentally get sent with the Lorwyn set file?
How, specifically, do cards from one set end up in packs of another set? I seem to remember, in the long-ago year of 2012, a Rootborn Defenses somehow ended up in an M13 pack.
January 22, 2026 4:25 p.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #10
Tsukimi, I agree 100%. If you are looking for negativity, that is what you will find. My only point is to ask people what they thought about the mess up. Great input. With that, you haven't really spoken on the thread header. what do "you" think on this mess up?
January 22, 2026 4:30 p.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #11
Caerwyn, my apologies. I agree, Youtube is a large platform... therefore you can find a lot of hate. You can find just as much positivity, too. I guess it did kind of seem like you were speaking directly toward me in regard to the link. Future reference I will not provide links and just ask questions instead.
"so clearly did not comprehend" - you have a pretty aggressive style of writing. Sad to see that.
January 22, 2026 4:34 p.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #12
legendofa, finally... someone just talking about it rather than thinking I am "rage baiting". I don't really know how they could mess up like that. I spend a lot of time working in assembly line style work. Why both would be ready for wrap at the exact same time is a great question.
It is pretty funny that it happened. That's for sure.
January 22, 2026 4:37 p.m.
Now I'm waiting to see if TMNT sealed packs will have Lorwyn Eclipsed promos. That would answer a few questions.
January 22, 2026 5:36 p.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #14
legendofa No telling. My wife said something funny that is likely not true, but still thought provoking. Perhaps it was a way for them to move cards they knew weren't going to sale. Unlikely, but interesting. Since I don't play Standard, the entire issue doesn't effect me personally. I play Commander, and I do use UB and other non-IU cards if they help my build. The people that it effects the most are the shops. Sure, even if Wotc does its best to rectify the issue, that is a big oops for a lot of shops.
January 22, 2026 5:41 p.m.
theNeroTurtle I think with any mistake like this what really matters is is/how they decide to address it. WOTC is going to make sure that everyone who opened that pack get their prerelease content replaced, and if they played with friends or if their game store is good at it's job, that means they get free content to do essentially a second pre release with. Seems like an excellent and thoughtful solution to me.
January 23, 2026 10:26 a.m.
theNeroTurtle says... #16
Tsukimi, agreed. Hopefully it works out that way.
theNeroTurtle says... #2
hear*
January 21, 2026 4:29 p.m.