Patriar's Humiliation

Instant

Target creature perpetually loses all abilities, then Patriar's Humiliation deals damage to it equal to the number of creatures you control. (Perpetual effects that are given to cards are permanent regardless of what zone those cards are in and what zone they move to.)

Legality

Format	Legality
Alchemy	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Limited	Legal
Pauper EDH	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal

Discussion (2)

Rhadamanthus on Likeness Looter on High Fae …

1 year ago

Yesterday: No, Resolute Rejection and Patriar's Humiliation operate in the ability adding/removing layer. They don't change copiable values. Body Double-ing a Corrupted Shapeshifter who's been hit by one of those things will get you a normal Corrupted Shapeshifter with all its abilities. And if you were to reanimate that Shapeshifter, you would still choose P/T as it enters because the copiable values layer is the very first one, so the effect would be applied before the ability gets taken away in the ability adding/removing layer.

For the layer system, first you start with what's printed on the physical object, then apply other continuous effects in this specific order:

1. Rules and effects that modify copiable values

2. Control-changing effects

3. Text-changing effects (e.g. Magical Hack and friends)

4. Type-changing effects (including supertypes and subtypes)

5. Color-changing effects

6. Ability-adding/removing effects (including keyword counters and "can't have [ability]" effects)

7. P/T-changing effects

Layers 1 and 7 also have some sub-layers where certain more specific types of effects are applied in a particular order within those layers but those details aren't important here.

The key thing to understand is that a copy effect only brings over the actual printed characteristics of the original plus anything that is applying to the original in Layer 1. No other effects applying to the original will get copied.

Yesterday on Likeness Looter on High Fae …

1 year ago

Rhadamanthus, well, I had a look through all the cards that use the word "Perpetual" for something that sets the P/T as it enters, and the closest things I can find are Resolute Rejection or Patriar's Humiliation on a Corrupted Shapeshifter, then using a Body Double to copy it from a graveyard. Would that work? I don't really understand the intricacies of what I'm testing.