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July 22, 2017 4:39 p.m.
Oh interesting, what kinds of decks are playing the Blood Moon?
What about changing up the fetchlands a bit (i.e. Arid Mesa > Windswept Heath, and the dual lands change accordingly) and adding a basic Forest, so you always have access to the sideboard Reverent Silence?
July 22, 2017 4:23 p.m.
I see you want to be conservative with new hubs, which is perfectly valid, but I think the ship has sort've sailed. By your logic, all the 20ish tribe hubs should be removed because we already have Tribal. Locks and Stax are much further apart than existing hubs like Stax and Pox. Consider a deck that tries to assemble Energy Field + Rest in Peace to prevent all damage, Solemnity + Phyrexian Unlife to prevent all life loss, or Enduring Ideal. These are so far away from Stax, it's like calling Midrange Aggro. I do like the idea of being frugal with hubs, but that means we should first remove all the extra ones before denying Lock.
I still think we're missing the point with toolbox. Again, a good toolbox deck should probably be utilizing combos or some synergies (as you pointed out), but what if the deck utilizes toolbox for hate cards and nothing else? How do you label that?
Regardless, it makes no sense to exclude Toolbox just because the decks fit under Combo; decks can be multiple hubs. By your logic, we should remove all the hubs except Aggro, Control, Combo, Ramp, Midrange because all other decks fall under those. I think you're being a little too frugal there ;)
July 21, 2017 4:07 p.m.
Hey thanks for checking out my deck!
Yep the Viscera Seer is just here because it's cheaper! However you'll often see competitive combo decks play a couple subpar clones of their combo pieces (in our case, Cartel Aristocrat and Blasting Station). This is because if we only play 4x Viscera Seer, we instantly lose to a Pithing Needle, Phyrexian Revoker, or Surgical Extraction. Also Blasting Station isn't bad itself; harder to destroy and can shoot down some problems by itself.
You're right that having 1 of specific answers is not a good idea since you'll never have them when you need it, and you'll get them when they're useless. The reason it's ok here is because we have 3 Beseech the Queens. Suddenly it's like we have 4 of every card in our deck (both combo pieces as well as answers). When you have tutors, you can afford to toolbox and carry more specific yet powerful answers. That said, I did decide to move Bontu's Last Reckoning and Surgical Extraction to the sideboard since they were a bit too narrow like you said.
All competitive decks play more fetchlands than shocklands. This is because Bloodstained Mire can fetch both Godless Shrine AND Swamp, so it's much better. This is very important because if our opponent plays , we fetch Swamp so we don't lose to Blood Moon. Plus we'll never need more than 2 sources.
July 20, 2017 9:10 a.m.
July 19, 2017 11:48 p.m.
I love this deck!
You can check out my upgraded version of SaffronOlive's Solemnity combo deck.
July 19, 2017 11:41 p.m.
What's the budget on this? If low-medium budget, I would definitely cut Zur the Enchanter and Glen Elendra Archmage. You only have 2 blue sources...there's no way you can support triple black, double white, and blue. You can use Dimir Machinations or Beseech the Queen to tutor your pieces instead.
If it's budgetless, should definitely be playing fetchlands.
You can check out my similar competitive Solemnity combo deck.
July 19, 2017 11:34 p.m.
I like Bitterblossom here since it works with Unlife. You can also use Dark Confidant and Phyrexian Arena. Phyrexian Arena is almost strictly better than Dark Tutelage if you fix up the mana base. For a start, should remove 10 basic lands and put in 8 fetchlands, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and Shambling Vent
There's pretty much no reason to ever play cards like Mine Excavation or Greater Auramancy since it's strictly worse than just tutoring for another copy if the card gets destroyed, and does nothing otherwise.
Having all these tutors means you should definitely put in some powerful hate cards like Fulminator Mage, Rest in Peace, Stony Silence (questionable due to Blasting Station), Nevermore, Rule of Law, Leyline of Sanctity etc.
You can check out my similar competitive Solemnity combo deck.
July 19, 2017 11:21 p.m.
You haven't addressed anything new that was said.
Stax is a fine substitute for Prison, we're all agreed on that. I'm wondering now if anybody thinks Hard Lock or Lockdown should get its own thing; those are clearly unrelated to Stax.
As for toolbox, we're not talking about combos or synergies. Most toolbox decks are trying to find hate cards for specific decks. You can't possibly tell me using Chord of Calling to tutor for hate package of Reclamation Sage, Orzhov Pontiff, Fulminator Mage (vs. Tron), Scavenging Ooze (vs. Dredge), Aven Mindcensor qualifies as a combo. One card is not a combo.
July 19, 2017 10:39 p.m.
Yeah I'm fine with Stax as a sub for Prison. I was sort've confusing Prison with locks in general, but the two are somewhat distinct.
What do you think of asking for Hard Lock or Lockdown as a hub instead?
July 19, 2017 10:01 p.m.
I want to correct what I said. Prison probably includes a few things stax doesn't but it still tends to refer to resource/mana denial. Meanwhile there are lots of other types of locks.
So I think Hard Lock or Lockdown is the hub we're missing.
July 19, 2017 7:45 p.m.
I think we're using different definitions of prison. Prison, as I understand it and as defined by most websites, is using a combination of cards to create a lockdown. So stax is a specific case of prison, and prison can be considered a specific case of combo-control. I guess some people use stax and prison interchangeably, but stax definitely seems like a misnomer since most prison decks nowadays (e.g. Lantern, Workshop, Enduring Ideal, EDH prison decks) aren't doing any staxing... If anything, we should replace Stax with Prison haha.
As for toolbox, rockleemyhero already said what I was going to say :) I see what you're saying though -- maybe all good toolbox decks should be comboing, but by that logic we should remove all the non-competitive hub archetypes haha.
July 19, 2017 7:36 p.m.
Toolboxing for hate cards is a prominent strategy in many Modern and EDH decks since silver bullets are so effective vs. combo. Naturally toolboxing is great for finding combo pieces, but since a deck isn't required to use toolbox for combo, it's incorrect to shoehorn Toolbox into Combo.
People have pointed out that Stax, Prison, and Lockdown get used interchangeably. Since many (or even most) prison/lockdown decks nowadays don't use resource denial, it seems very much an outdated misnomer to call them Stax. I think we should create a Lockdown hub or at least change Stax to Lockdown to reflect this trend. (Not to mention Pox and Stax are supposed to be distinct, but there's no Lockdown?)
Edit: People pointed out that Stax can cover Prison. I was thinking more about other locks, so changed this to a request for Hard Lock/Lockdown.
July 19, 2017 6:16 p.m.
If you're playing Casual, Dark Deal might be worth trying. Since this is geared towards competitive Modern, you're almost always hitting 1-4 cards with Dark Deal, whereas Burning Inquiry always hits 3, making it a worse Burning Inquiry for extra mana. Collective Defiance is almost a strict upgrade, and I'm not even sure if it's playable.
I played a bit online but ran into all aggro decks, so it didn't do so well. It should be good vs. combo and control (which are actually more prevalent than aggro in competitive Modern). It trounces any casual decks, of course.
July 10, 2017 9:18 p.m.
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