AverageDragon Deckling

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I mainly play Competitive EDH, and my weapons of choice are Momir Hackball and Gitrog Dredge. Show me your green commander-reliant decks!

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March 20, 2018 10:39 p.m.


Hacking Momir only works for that one, specific object. MTG's rules for objects changing zones is that for most cases, when an object changes zones, it forgets everything about its previous existence. This means that if you hack Momir while he's a permanent, and he dies and goes to the Command Zone, he is effectively "unhacked".

March 16, 2018 9:54 p.m.


Thanks! The consistency of the list is one of its best appeals, as being able to tutor toolboxy solutions gives the deck a large amount of consistency.

As for the hack problem, since we've started running tutors like Mystical Tutor and Merchant Scroll, as well as every cheap hack available to us, we haven't really encountered issues in finding a hack. Technically, counting the tutors, we have around 11 hacks at our disposal. Even if you don't end up finding a hack through topdecks, you can always just play Momir Vig, Simic Visionary, then tutor up Vizier of the Menagerie, and win the next turn using Vizier as our hack.

March 12, 2018 7:16 p.m.


While the combo might seem fragile, it's actually very resilient thanks to the utility of "dork chaining". Since we're able to generate mana and tutor any pieces that we need, it allows us to run compact and efficient backup plans.

For example, our primary recursion package consists of Nantuko Tracer, Riftsweeper, and Scavenging Ooze. This means that if we run into almost all forms of interaction, we're able to tutor and cast a recursion spell for very little additional cost, and continue comboing off. If someone gets rid of Heritage Druid, we're able to use Birchlore Rangers, Nettle Sentinel, and Phantasmal Image to tutor chain to generate mana, tutor up recursion, and then use it. If someone exiles a combo piece, we can tutor up Riftsweeper, shuffle the combo piece into our library, and then tutor it up immediately after using a different piece. And finally, in the event that Nantuko Tracer gets stuck in the graveyard, we can tutor up Scavenging Ooze, exile it, then return it to our library with Riftsweeper.

The reason we don't use a simpler combo is that in its current state, the deck has at least 2 or 3 layers of redundancy for every core piece, thanks to the tutorable recursion. A simpler combo might work, but it would likely include additional dead cards that aren't really all that essential. One of the deck's prime appeals is its powerful resiliency, which operates effectively through interaction.

March 5, 2018 7:33 p.m.


You actually have to swap to a different infinite mana loop entirely using Crop Rotation, Gaea's Cradle, Nantuko Tracer, Green Sun's Zenith, and Temur Sabertooth.

When you have drawn your library, you should have some large amount of mana from doing the (normally infinite) mana loop, which is not enough to win the game but enough to let you do just about anything else. The first, most important step of this loop is that every time you draw into Green Sun's Zenith, you should be casting it, so that you don't deck out. Be sure to have around 10 or more creatures on the battlefield, just to be sure you're netting enough mana with Gaea's Cradle.

To begin, shuffle Green Sun's Zenith into your library, then get Gaea's Cradle into your graveyard and return it to your library with Temur Sabertooth and Nantuko Tracer. If it's stuck in your hand, you can use Glamerdye to Retrace it into the graveyard, where it is then able to be put into the library with Tracer. Next, cast Crop Rotation, sacrificing a land you have on the battlefield. Search for Gaea's Cradle, put it on the battlefield, then tap it for some amount of mana. Next, use Temur Sabertooth and Nantuko Tracer to put Crop Rotation back into your library, and then draw it, usually by just bouncing a dork and replaying it, taking advantage of Glimpse of Nature's draw trigger.

At this point, you should have a land in your graveyard, a tapped Gaea's Cradle, and Crop Rotation in your hand. Next, use Temur Sabertooth and Nantuko Tracer to put the land that you sacrificed earlier back into your library, then sacrifice Gaea's Cradle to Crop Rotation in order to find it. You then put Gaea's Cradle back into your library with Tracer, and continue looping Crop Rotation and Nantuko Tracer in order to continually generate more and more mana. This allows you to generate infinite green without decking out, thanks to Green Sun's Zenith, and you can then convert it to infinite blue, and subsequently perform the winning loops as normal.

The Glimpse combo is convoluted, but thankfully, it doesn't add any extra dead pieces to the deck.

March 5, 2018 7:18 p.m.


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