Frogtosser Banneret and Dragon Fodder
Asked by student-of-life 9 years ago
so, if I have a Frogtosser Banneret on the battlefield and I play Dragon Fodder, it does not cost less because of the because of the Frogtosser Banneret correct? What about if I played Fodder Launch? It is a goblin tribal card but a sorcery and not an actual creature.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Frogtosser Banneret's ability just checks whether your spell has the subtype "Goblin" or "Rogue," not whether it's a creature spell.
January 18, 2015 3:56 p.m.
Epochalyptik A nitpick. The subtype only matters for Frogtosser Banneret if the non creature spell has the Tribal type, in other cases (Bestow mainly, although I didn't check and can't remember if there are any goblin or rogue bestow creatures) the creature type is ignored and no cost reduction happens.
January 20, 2015 1:48 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
@Draugo: When you cast a card for its bestow cost, it loses the type "Creature." It also loses any creature types it had because only creature and tribal cards can have those subtypes. Therefore, a bestowed spell can't qualify for creature type-based cost reductions.
January 20, 2015 1:59 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Relevant rule:
205.1a Some effects set an object's card type. In such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. Counters, effects, and damage marked on the object remain with it, even if they are meaningless to the new card type. Similarly, when an effect sets one or more of an object's subtypes, the new subtype(s) replaces any existing subtypes from the appropriate set (creature types, land types, artifact types, enchantment types, planeswalker types, or spell types). If an object's card type is removed, the subtypes correlated with that card type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a card type the object currently has; otherwise, they are also removed for the entire time the object's card type is removed. Removing an object's subtype doesn't affect its card types at all.
January 20, 2015 2:02 a.m.
Yes, but it loses those because it has no creature type. If ever there will be a Tribal bestow it should still retain those creature types at which point this becomes relevant. Also these questions are usually for players who don't know all the rules interactions and as such when they see a Bestow card they don't automatically know that those creature types won't be there when they cast it as an aura (it is not stated in the remainder text), hence the nitpick.
January 20, 2015 3:55 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
Typically, nitpicks point out technical matters. It's inaccurate to say that the creature types are ignored. Rather, they don't exist on the card. And there are no Tribal bestow cards.
Also, it's not really helpful to further complicate the matter if the goal is indeed to educate newer players who have less rules familiarity.
Minelia5 says... Accepted answer #1
The Fodder Launch would cost less, but the Dragon Fodder would not, because it is not a goblin card.
January 18, 2015 2:25 p.m.