Pir and Toothy EDH Archetypes
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Posted on July 3, 2018, 1:44 p.m. by ManaLocked
Hello all. I have been recently working on a list that seems like it has some great potential: a Pir and Toothy Superfriends list. It abuses the idea that Pir has a Planeswalker enter with 1 extra counter and that the plus abilities also give an extra counter. All of this bundled with a control base seems to have really solid value all around. When I was building this, however, I found that any sources that show community use of Pir and Toothy (like EDHREC), they were all using creature counters. It seems that my concept is either less considered or less effective. What are your opinions on the subject?
SteelSentry says... #3
I like the deck, but I can only assume that the reason people focus on creature counters is to abuse Toothy drawing a bunch of cards. There's a Pir&Toothy deck at my LGS that draws his entire deck. Some sweet secret tech with Toothy is Conjurer's Closet.
Skirjmellion Using a planeswalker's first ability will give you an additional counter when Pir is out, just like Doubling Season does. Even though it's a cost, it's like the reverse of the Devoted Druid + Vizier of Remedies combo.
July 3, 2018 3:09 p.m.
While Doubling Season does not double the counters gained from using loyalty abilities, Pir, Imaginative Rascal does. This is because Doubling Season only triggers on effects, not costs, and loyalty counters are added as the cost. Pir, Imaginative Rascal does not have that limitation.
I actually really like this idea because the 2 color limitation means you still have to build a deck around it and can play the deck you want to play.
Skirjmellion says... #2
I believe 'Walkers will enter with an additional counter if Pir is out, but using their loyalty abilities, adding or removing counters in that way, is a cost, so I don't think they'll be affected by Pir at that time.
July 3, 2018 2:34 p.m.