what happens to copies/clones of sinister conciërge when they die?
Asked by ChaoticGnat 10 months ago
Looks like a straight forward question but let me explain. I was wandering what happens to the effect of sinister conciërge when it is cloned/copied?
ChaoticGnat says... #2
So a Clone also gains suspend and a token copy does nothing since tokens stop existing after they are removed if I read it correct.
February 19, 2024 6:25 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #3
Correct, a Clone or Infinite Reflection copy will work as intended and suspend themselves and another creature if you choose to exile. Token copies will cease to exist before you get the chance to exile them and will not suspend either themselves or a creature an opponent controls.
Gidgetimer says... #1
You can link cards by enclosing the card name in double brackets.
Sinister Concierge
The effect works assuming that it was a non-token copy. "Dies" triggers are a special case of leaves the battlefield trigger. LTBs use the existence of objects right before the trigger event occurs to determine if they trigger. At that time the copy was a Sinister Concierge and so the ability will trigger. If you are worried about the fact that the Clone has a different name in the graveyard, abilities that refer to the object they are on by name, it is referring to the object it is on regardless of the object's actual name.
603.10. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions, and continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities are exceptions to this rule; the game “looks back in time” to determine if those abilities trigger, using the existence of those abilities and the appearance of objects immediately prior to the event. The list of exceptions is as follows:
603.10a Some zone-change triggers look back in time. These are leaves-the-battlefield abilities, abilities that trigger when a card leaves a graveyard, and abilities that trigger when an object that all players can see is put into a hand or library.
201.5b If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.
February 19, 2024 3:45 a.m.