Torpor Orb and Shriekmaw
Asked by iVampire 11 years ago
I have Torpor Orb on my side of the field, my opponent casts Shriekmaw for its evoke cost. Does the Shriekmaw still have to be sacrificed or can he just cast it as a vanilla creature for 1B?
Even though the card says 'when it enters the battlefield' and Torpor Orb says 'creatures entering the battlefield dont cause abilities to trigger'?
March 6, 2014 10:06 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #3
Shriekmaw doesn't get sacrificed. The reminder text for Evoke is an abbreviation of the full Comprehensive Rules text for the keyword, and it doesn't give the whole story. The part of Evoke that causes the creature to be sacrificed when it enters the battlefield if the Evoke cost was paid is a triggered ability, and Torpor Orb will shut it off (Shriekmaw also won't destroy anything, of course).
702.73a Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e-g.
March 6, 2014 10:10 a.m.
nobu_the_bard says... #4
I thought it was as gufymike said but the Comp Rules say otherwise (emphasis mine):
702.72a Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e-g.
Actually, reading further, Evoke usually consists of two triggered abilities, one directly tied into Evoke and the other a "normal" one on the creature (to make Evoke meaningful).
March 6, 2014 10:12 a.m.
@Rhadamanthus That is what I thought, and how we played it out. Thanks.
March 6, 2014 10:12 a.m.
learned something new today, I always thought it was a cost, not a triggered ability.
March 6, 2014 10:17 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #7
Well, it's both. A keyword ability can represent multiple different component abilities. Evoke, Suspend, Champion, Vanishing, and Graft are all good examples.
gufymike says... #1
It's sacrificed. The reminder text says "You may play this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield." There is no way of getting around that, unless he/she pays the full cost not the evoke cost.
March 6, 2014 10:05 a.m.