Tainted AEther + Overburden

Asked by ADj 8 years ago

Hi im making a creatureless casual deck to end mi obsession with Nicol Bolas. (you can check the deck here if you like No creatures! you face Nicol Bolas!.

The deck abuses having no creatures and playing Tainted AEther + Overburden. question is, if I have both in play and my opponent has a creature enter the battlefield.

Can he arrange the triggers so he chooses a certain "X" land to sacrifice and then makes that land bounce with Overburden? Avoiding the double punishment?

what am I missing here? I think he cant but I cant seem to find the explanation to satisfy my rule psicosis

please answer with step by step mechanics my deck is as usual hell of annoying and im sure this doubt will arise :P

Thanks in advance!

pskinn01 says... #1

none of the triggers target, so the choice of which to bounce or destroy will be determined when the abilities resolve, so there will be one bounced land, and one land or creature sacrificed if both are in play

when a creature of any kind enters the battlefield, Tainted AEther triggers.

when a non-token creature enters the battlefield, Overburdened! triggers.

No matter the order of the triggers, if both are put on the stack, they have to choose an object still in play when the ability resolves.

June 29, 2015 9:43 p.m. Edited.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2

If you sacrifice something, it's moved from the battlefield to its owner's graveyard. The sacrifice isn't something that happens later; it's part of Tainted AEther's ability's resolution.

First, you control both abilities because you control both permanents that are the sources of those abilities. You are the player who chooses the order in which those abilities are placed onto the stack.

Second, no matter how you arrange the abilities, your opponent won't be able to bounce the land he or she sacrifices and vice versa. The abilities resolve one at a time, and because neither ability targets, your opponent must choose during the resolution the object to bounce or sacrifice. Therefore, the choice must be from among the legal choices on the battlefield; your opponent can't choose something that's already been sacrificed or bounced, nor can he or she target something and then cause the ability to fizzle.

June 29, 2015 9:47 p.m.

ADj says... #3

Great! Glad it works that way they will hate me more

Thanks for the answer hope I could choose both but I cant and as usual Epochalytik (mix of apocalypse of eucalypti?) was more complete and explanatory

regards and thanks to both !

June 29, 2015 9:57 p.m.

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