Multiple Dredge
Asked by BrokenZygoma 12 years ago
I can usually answer most questions myself but this one has stumped me recently. If I have 2 or more cards in my graveyard with dredge, lets say 2 Life from the Loam , and I'm supposed to draw 1 card, my instinct says you can only dredge 3 to get 1 Life from the Loam back to my hand. I couldn't find any rule that specified this so, Why not bring it here. Anyone have any Idea how this works? I've been playing like I can only dredge 1 card per card I was supposed to draw but I wanted to clarify.
BrokenZygoma says... #2
That's what I assumed but there wasn't anywhere I saw that said that I couldn't, say, dredge 6 to return 2 Life from the Loam s back to my hand.
October 27, 2012 4:37 p.m.
The word "instead" in the rules text sorts that out. When you get to the second dredge, you can't draw that anymore, and since dredge says "if you would draw a card" (which you don't), as a result you can't dredge a second time.
October 27, 2012 4:43 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #5
I just wasn't looking in the right place for my answer. I was looking at the dredge rules and the answer was in the replacement effect rules. Thank you though.
October 27, 2012 4:45 p.m.
No problem, sorry if I didn't quote the right rules text ;) Nice to be able to help eachother out.
October 27, 2012 4:46 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #7
Its fine, the dredge rule didn't really answer the question, but when you mentioned the replacement it made me look there which yielded the answer I needed.
October 27, 2012 4:48 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
The reason you can't do two different dredges off of a single card draw is because of the way multiple replacement effects are applied. If multiple replacement effects could apply to a single event, then the affected player or controller of the affected object decides which one to apply first. After applying that one, the other replacement effects can only be applied if they would still be relevant to the modified event, otherwise they're ignored. After replacing a draw with one dredge, it's no longer a draw, so no more dredges can be applied to it.
The section of rules that covers this is too long to paste here, because the result comes from multiple paragraphs taken together. If you want to read it for yourself, it's Section 616, "Interaction of Replacement and/or Prevention Effects".
October 27, 2012 4:49 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #9
Yeah I went and read the replacement effect rules to find what I needed but thanks Rhad. It didn't occur to me to look there first before I asked on here.
October 27, 2012 4:50 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #10
It took me too long to look it up and type it, I see you got your answer already.
October 27, 2012 4:52 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #11
Yeah lol I did some sleuthing after JasonD reminded me it was a replacement effect.
October 27, 2012 4:57 p.m.
If you had a Staff of Nin , you could Dredge off both draws, as a solution.
October 27, 2012 7:30 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #13
Yes I know. I specifically mentioned "1 card" a few times to clear up that part.
October 27, 2012 9:41 p.m.
BrokenZygoma says... #14
Any draw spell/effect could allow me to dredge as many cards as I would draw.
JasonD says... Accepted answer #1
Dredge is a replacement ability, so you would only be able to dredge once for each draw.
When you are about to draw, both the dredge cards in your graveyard may be activated, but when the first resolves, you have dredged instead of drawing. That means there's no more 'draw left over' for the second dredge ability to replace. So in the end, afaik, you can only dredge once per draw.October 27, 2012 4:29 p.m.