Mirror of the Forebears and Chronozoa
Asked by UniqueUserID 6 years ago
I was thinking about making a janky deck with Mirror of the Forebears cloning Chronozoa. So I need to double check some interactions!
1) Mirror of the Forebears copies Chronozoa. Since it didn't enter play it enters with no time counters correct?
2) If the Mirror of the Forebears coping Chronozoa dies I put in 2 normal Chronozoa tokens. NOT 2 Mirrors right?
3) Using Pia's Revolution will return the Cloned mirror if the cost isn't paid. Do I need to order the stack in any way to not break the combo?
1) Correct. Unless some other effect has put time counters on Mirror of the Forebears previously it will still have no time counters on it.
2) The tokens will have all the copiable characteristics of the Mirror of the Forebears, which are to say they will be normal Chronozoa except that they will be artifact creatures as those are the characteristics Mirror of the Forebears had when it died.
3) Yes, because Mirror of the Forebears is still an artifact it will trigger Pia's Revolution properly. It doesn't matter what order you stack the triggers in.
4) As mentioned in 2, yes, they are artifact creature tokens.
October 12, 2017 6:12 p.m.
DRACULA150704 says... #3
1) yes
2) Correct- when Mirror of the Forebears copies something Mirror of the Forebears is that card until end of turn.
3) Yes- on Mirror of the Forebears it says; "Mirror of the Forebears becomes a copy of target creature you control of the chosen type, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types." so it is an artifact
4) Yes- The token is copying the Mirror of the Forebears and when the Mirror of the Forebears was put into a graveyard it had the typing; 'Artifact Creature- Illusion"
October 12, 2017 6:22 p.m.
DRACULA150704 says... #4
One thing to note is that Mirror of the Forebears will die as soon as it becomes a Chronozoa because it didn't have any time counters on it. The "no time counters = death" ability is a state based effect and can happen whenever (not just in the upkeep) because theoretically there could be a card that adds or removes time counters. Also State based effects they check if there trigger is there between every card on the stack.
October 12, 2017 6:48 p.m.
DRACULA150704 says... #5
I meant to say;
State based effects check for their trigger between every card on the stack.
October 12, 2017 6:49 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #6
@DRACULA150704: That's not how Vanishing works. As it says in the reminder text, the "sacrifice this" part of Vanishing triggers when the last time counter is removed. There's no state-based-action involved.
702.62a Vanishing is a keyword that represents three abilities. "Vanishing N" means "This permanent enters the battlefield with N time counters on it," "At the beginning of your upkeep, if this permanent has a time counter on it, remove a time counter from it," and "When the last time counter is removed from this permanent, sacrifice it."
UniqueUserID says... #1
Ah! I forgot to ask!
4) Is the returned Chronozoa token made by Mirror of the Forebears a ARTIFACT TOKEN?
October 12, 2017 5:09 p.m.