Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Asked by cryptichorror 13 years ago
This came up the other night, and I thought I knew the answer, but another player made me question it. When Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is in play, does it's controller draw the 7 cards before or after his discard step? I said before, which would cause the controller to end their turn with 7 cards. He said you draw the 7 cards after discarding down to your hand size.
onthestack says... #2
What happens to the opponent's next turn? At their draw step, do they get to draw (having to discard their hand at the end of turn?) or does the card get discarded straight to the graveyard (as soon as they draw it)?
February 16, 2012 4:24 p.m.
onthestack, When you have a 'maximum hand-size' (usually 7, in this case opponents get 0) you can hold any number of cards during your turn, or even on another player's turn. However, when you reach your Clean up step, you must always discard down to your maximum hand size.
February 16, 2012 4:42 p.m.
cryptichorror says... #4
And when the player who does NOT control Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur adds in something like, Venser's Journal, it would override the effects of Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, correct?
February 16, 2012 4:54 p.m.
I believe that's correct, as they're both static effects, you go by the time stamp of which is most recent. However, it would make the opposite true as well, and if some one that didn't control Jin, played a Venser's Journal and the following turn you played Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Jin's effect would supersede.
February 16, 2012 7:07 p.m.
cryptichorror says... #6
@djgunn Are you sure? I see that as possible, but Venser's Journal is still in effect. It seems like it would just be infinity minus 7 (still infinity).
February 16, 2012 9:10 p.m.
rckclimber777 says... #7
Cryptichorror is correct in this final statement. Venser's journal takes away the maximum hand size limit entirely. Jin-Gitaxias merely decreases the maximum hand size. If however the Jin-Gitaxias put on a specific hand size (Ie zero) then this would be a different story with much more confusion and headaches.
February 16, 2012 10:43 p.m.
Yeah, my bad. I didn't re-read Jin again as the 'reduces by seven'. You're both totally right. I was thinking 'reduces to zero'. Was in a hurry to get out to a gig when I posted that last answer, sorry for the lapse in judgment.
mozerdozer says... Accepted answer #1
The cleanup step follows the end step, thus they will have to discard after drawing seven.
February 16, 2012 3:39 p.m.