Interaction between Pantlaza, Sun-Favored and Ephemerate
Asked by CamraMaan 5 months ago
I need to resolve a ruling dispute regarding Pantlaza, Sun-Favored's "do this only once each turn" clause. So Pantlaza triggers on a Dino entering the battlefield, and discovers X. If I flicker Pantlaza with Ephemerate, will Pantlaza be able to trigger again the same turn upon a second Dino ETBing? As I understand it, after being flickered, Pantlaza will be an entirely new permanent, and therefore will be able to trigger again. Will that hold true, or does the wording somehow mean once is once, no matter if it's flickered or if another copy of Pantlaza is triggering as well?
As always, thanks in advance!
And please forgive me if this is being a PITA, but if you could supply the appropriate rulings it would help a lot... this guy doesn't trust who is and isn't a judge...
November 21, 2023 6:28 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #3
If the other person needs to see rules, the most important rule is this one:
400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. This rule has the following exceptions... [What follows is a list of 12 exceptions needed to make various types of zone-change specific effects to work in the expected way. None of the exceptions apply to this example.]
In your initial example, the Pantlaza that re-enters the battlefield from exile has nothing to do with the Pantlaza that left the battlefield earlier. The triggered ability on the new Pantlaza is a totally separate ability from the one on the old Pantlaza. If it was meant to track what's been done with the abilities from any Pantlaza then it would need to be specifically written to reference "sources named Pantlaza, Sun-Favored", kind of like Cogwork Grinder and other effects that need to track information about cards that can't always be distinguished from one another as distinct objects. This concept also covers the token copy interaction in your other example.
CamraMaan says... #1
As a follow up, since this seems to be in contention as well, if I use Cabaretti Confluence to make three copies of Pantlaza, will each copy also trigger when they (momentarily) enter the battlefield? I know the original card can only trigger once off another Dino ETBing, so in theory Cabaretti Confluence will either create one trigger, or four triggers total.
Thanks again!
November 21, 2023 6:07 a.m.